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Transcripts of Telephone Conversations at NRC Hq During the Millstone Alert Declaration on April 17, 2005 - Event Number 41607. ENS Tape 1, Side B, 10:39-12:01

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WIGGINS:

Okay, so you need to get d 'DG(

3 Felicia to help you just kind of sort out, you know, 4

phone bridges, put the right people on the right 5

bridge.

6 MR. LANNING: Right, Jim, I understand 7

that.

Will do.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

9 Now, I know that Diane is listening in 10 from Public Affairs, have we heard back from Bores yet 11 on whether he's made his required notifications or 12 whether he needs some help with that?

13 MR. LANNING: We haven't, Jim.

Diane was 14 going to get in touch with the communications lead 15 from Millstone, to be sure that she understood what 16 they knew and what their message was.

I'm not sure 17 she's back on our bridge yet from that.

18 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

19 Bob Bores we haven't heard from.

20 MR. McGINTY: Jim Wiggins, this is McGinty.

21 In reviewing the procedures that we have for declaring 22 monitoring, notifications of Bill Outlaw and Eliot 23 Brenner are on there, so that's an activity that we'll 24 want to track and make sure that occur.

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we've proceeded along smartly through the procedure.

2 We need help to confirm the status of the external 3

notifications by the Headquarters Operations Officer, 4

DHS and FEMA, et cetera.

5 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, Jim, I would suggest 6

that if Bob Bores is out of pocket that we consider 7

getting somebody in there, to get somebody to resolve 8

to manage these calls out of the Incident Response 9

Center.

10 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, if Bob said he was on 11 his way to the airport, that kind of puts him out of 12 pocket in this, so we ought to try to separately find 13 out where -

or at least get another one of the 14 government liaison folks working.

The next in line 15 would be Duncan White (phonetic).

He looks like he 16 has a New Jersey home address, maybe then it would be 17 Sherry Minnick (phonetic), who has Pennsylvania home 18 address.

19 MR. HOLIAN: Jim Wiggins, Brian Holian, my 20 phone got cut off.

I'm back on now.

21 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, all right.

22 So, just sit there for a sec, Brian.

23 Sam, do you want -

maybe we should just 24 get Sherry up and get her heading toward the Center.

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do it for Wayne, but if Wayne agrees we'll get Sherry 2

on her way in, and then just ask her to track down Bob 3

Bores.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Right.

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COLLINS:

And

then, so that we 6

understand the status of the call.

If we can't, then 7

we'll just have to try to do them again, and be sure 8

that people have been notified.

If they are notified 9

twice, then that's our issue, but we have to be sure 10 they have been at least done once.

11 MR. WIGGINS: Right, okay.

12 MR. COLLINS:

Wayne, are you monitoring 13 the line?

14 MR. LANNING: Yes, Sam, I'm here, go ahead.

15 MR. COLLINS: Okay, are you comfortable 16 with that

approach, to state and governmental 17 notification? You haven't heard from Bob Bores yet, 18 have you?

19 MR. LANNING: I just reached Bob Bores on 20 the phone, we are talking to him as we speak.

21 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

22 MR. LANNING: I've also asked for Sherry 23 Minnick to start coming into the IRC.

24 MR. COLLINS: Okay, thank you.

25 MR. WIGGINS: Good job, Wayne.

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Okay, we'll let you manage it on that end, 2

though, as long as you feel comfortable you have the 3

resources and notifications are being made, then 4

you've got the lead on that.

5 MR. LANNING: Okay.

I understand I've got 6

the lead for the state, so as soon as I get some more 7

communicators we'll have the communication bridges 8

established.

9 MR. WIGGINS: All right, and when Diane 10 Screnci calls back in, we will get you on the line if 11 you are not on the bridge, and be sure that you are 12 aware of her activities, too.

13 MR. LANNING: Okay, that's good.

14 MR. COLLINS: Jim, at some point we may 15 want to establish a separate bridge for Brian to be 16 talking to Wayne about any follow-up activities that 17 we might want to consider, either in the short term or 18 in the -

19 MR. WIGGINS: See, well, we've got to move, 20 Sam, toward a communication arrangement where we've 21 got a reactor safety link up, an ENS bridge, and then 22 a management link.

We've got to move the licensee 23 over to one of those other ones, so we can have those 24 conversations you are asking for.

25 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

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Perhaps we can do that when Wayne takes 2

the lead, would that be the right time to do that?

3 MR. WIGGINS: He's working on setting up 4

those bridges in the Incident Response Center now.

5 Yeah, we should do it as soon as the Wayne 6

gets a communicator who could sit and talk to the 7

licensee, you know, maybe we can have the licensee at 8

least kind of trickle him down, and have the licensee 9

move to the reactor safety line, because, you know, 10 until we get someone in the station the licensee is 11 our information tie to what's happening at the plant.

12 So, as soon as Wayne gets a reactor-type 13 communicator in, we should put a safety bridge, a 14 reactor safety bridge up, and get the licensee moved 15 to that, so that we can just have the manager bridge 16 to talk internally about where we want to go with our 17 piece.

That's how I would do it.

18 So, Wayne, do you have - when do you think 19 you are going to get a reactor person in?

20 MR. LANNING: Don't know, Jim.

We've put 21 out the call, so we are just waiting.

22 MR. COLLINS: I know Don Florek is on the 23 way in, Trap is on his way in, too.

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out.

Florek is closer.

2 Wayne, who do you actually have in the 3

Center now?

4 MR. LANNING: I have Felicia and Nancy.

5 MR. BLOUGH: This is Randy Blough, I'm just 6

leaving my driveway, I'm a half hour away.

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WIGGINS:

Wayne, do you feel 8

comfortable with the reactor safety bridge, just using 9

who you have there, either Nancy to man that, so that 10 we can try and get these communications sorted out?

11 MR. LANNING: Negative, Jim.

We're still 12 contacting people, Nancy is, so I need a few more 13 minutes.

14 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, so she's busy calling 15 people.

All right, so we'll just wait for a little 16 bit.

17 MR. WHITE: Jim, this is John White.

I'm 18 going to head into the IRC also.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Wayne, does that sound right 20 with you?

21 MR. LANNING: Yes, that's fine.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

23 Anybody heading into the Center needs to 24 clear it with Lanning, he's the one that's controlling 25 his needs in there.

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MR. LANNING: Mr. Doerflein just walked in 2

the door, so I'll be setting up the reactor safety 3

bridge here.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Get a safety bridge, good.

5 MR. LANNING: All right, stand by.

6 MR. WIGGINS: And, Millstone, are you still 7

on the line?

8 MR.

RYAN: Millstone Station Emergency 9

Communicator on the line.

10 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

11 Did you get an understanding of when the 12 Emergency Director could talk to us?

13 MR. RYAN: He is -

it will probably be 14 about five to ten minutes.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, then I think what's 16 going to happen in this communications is he'll have 17 to call in separately, because we are about ready to 18 establish a bridge and move you over to talk to our 19 reactor safety people, okay?

20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand you are going 21 to move me over to talk to reactor safety.

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WIGGINS:

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together to do NRC business.

2 MR. Holian: Jim Wiggins, Brian Holian, is 3

this -

is the name of the person at Millstone right 4

now, are you in the EOF?

5 MR. RYAN: This is John Ryan, I'm the 6

Emergency Communicator, and I am in the EOF.

7 MR. HOLIAN: Okay, and do we still have 8

anyone on from the Control Room or are they off?

9 MR. WIGGINS: The Control Room line has 10 secured.

11 MR. HOLIAN: Okay, thank you.

12 MR. WIGGINS: John Ryan, do you understand 13 what we're going to do, we'll just move you to this 14 other bridge when we have it set up, okay?

15 MR. RYAN: Understand.

Do you have a 16 number that you would like the ECO to call, the 17 Emergency Director, is that correct?

18 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, the normal Ops Center, 19 301-816-5100.

20 MR. RYAN: 301-856 -

21 MR. WIGGINS: 816.

22 MR. RYAN: 816.

23 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, what is it, 0550, no, 24 wait a minute -

25 MR. LANNING: It's 5100.

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MR. WIGGINS: 5100.

2 MR. RYAN: Understand the number is 301-3 816-5100.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, that should be in your 5

standard procedures for alternate ways to call.

6 MR. RYAN: I do have that number on my 7

phone.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, so that's the universal 9

number to get the Ops Center.

10 MR. RYAN: I understand you want him to 11 call the Ops Center.

12 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

13 MR. RYAN: Any particular person he should 14 be talking to?

15 MR. WIGGINS: Pardon me?

16 MR. RYAN: Anyone in particular that he 17 should be talking to?

18 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, me, Jim Wiggins.

19 MR. RYAN: Jim Wiggins.

20 MR. WIGGINS: When he calls in, tell him 21 just to call in and ask the Ops Officer to put him on 22 the management bridge.

23 MR. RYAN: Ops Officer Management bridge.

24 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, there you go.

25 MR. RYAN: All right.

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MR. WIGGINS: Now, let me talk to the Ops 2

Officer to get this straightened out.

3 Ops Officer, are you on?

Headquarters 4

Operations Officer?

Okay, let me star zero and get 5

him.

6 MR. KNOKE: I'm on the line.

7 MR. COLLINS: Jim, he's on.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

9 Ops Officer, this is Jim Wiggins.

10 MR. KNOKE: Yes, sir.

11 MR. WIGGINS: All right.

12 You should have heard from Wayne Lanning 13 that we need to set up a reactor safety bridge, and 14 then a management bridge.

This is the management 15 bridge we are now talking on.

16 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Now, we need to set up a 18 reactor safety bridge.

Have they told you that yet?

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KNOKE:

No, I

just heard the 20 conversation, but I wasn't given any orders to do 21 that.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Well, I'm not telling you to 23 do it yet either, I'm just telling you what's going to 24 happen.

25 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

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MR. WIGGINS: I'm going to need a reactor 2

safety bridge set up and move the licensee to it, 3

okay?

4 MR. KNOKE: Understand.

5 MR. WIGGINS: And then, this will become 6

the management bridge.

7 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, so just hold on til 9

Lanning is ready to do that.

10 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Ops Officer, it will be 12 a communicator from the Region 1 Incident Response 13 Center and the licensee on that line.

14 MR. MCGINTY: Right, it will be Mr. Ryan, 15 who is the EOS now, and hopefully you'll have him 16 identified.

17 MR.

LANNING: Okay, Mr.

Ryan and the 18 licensee will be on the reactor safety bridge.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

We just want to have 20 a manager bridge for ourselves.

21 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Now, the licensee's Emergency 23 Director will be calling in separately to talk on the 24 management bridge to us, okay?

That's coming next.

25 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

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MR. WIGGINS: That will come after we get 2

this reactor safety thing up.

3 MR. KNOKE: Understand.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

5 MR. OWENS: Mr. Ryan from Millstone?

6 MR. RYAN: Yes.

7 MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian here, 8

have you -

do you have the latest summary from the 9

plant on, you know -

10 MR. LANNING: Brian, can we hold that for 11 two minutes, please, this is Lanning, hang on, stand 12 by a minute, please, before you do that briefing.

13 MR. OWENS: Okay, Wayne.

14 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam, we should 15 probably, when it's convenient, run through the status 16 of the notifications from the Headquarters Duty 17 officer too, so Wayne has the status of whose been 18 notified, who hasn't.

19 MR.

McGINTY:

Headquarters Operations 20 Officer, are you available?

21 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I am available.

22 MR. McGINTY: Are you in a position to 23 continue continuity with Wayne?

24 MR. KNOKE: Who is talking, please?

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Collins and Jim Wiggins have requested an update on 2

the status of your procedures -

the alert procedure as 3

well as the go into the monitoring procedure.

Could 4

you please give us a rundown of the status of the 5

completed actions in that regard, please?

6 MR. KNOKE: Yes.

7 MR. MCGINTY: Generally, it involves the 8

notifications you have completed.

9 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Yes, generally they 10 involve the notifications that you have completed.

11 MR. LANNING: All right, Mr. Ryan, it's 12 Wayne Lanning at the NRC IRC, are you prepared to give 13 us a status brief?

14 MR.

RYAN:

This is Manager of 15 Communications, and, yes, I can give you a status 16 brief at this time.

17 MR. LANNING: All right, would you go ahead 18 and do that, please?

19 MR. RYAN: I'm not sure how specific you 20 want me to be.

21 MR. LANNING: I'd like for you to be very 22 detailed, starting at the very top with the initiation 23 of the event.

24 MR. RYAN: I understand you want me to 25 start at the initiation of the event.

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MR. LANNING: That's correct.

2 MR.

RYAN: At approximately 08:29 we 3

received a reactor trip and a safety injection signal 4

was generated on the alpha channel.

We had at least 5

one safety lift initially.

It re-seated, and then we 6

had two steam generator safeties-I'm sorry, steam 7

generator safeties lifts the second time.

8 The operating crew entered EQ (phonetic),

9 which is a reactor trip safety injection response, and 10 then transited to ES1.1, which is SI termination.

11 After SI was terminated, we started looking at 12 parameters. We did have primary safety lift at about 13 2350 pounds, thereabouts.

14 At the present time, the plant is stable.

15 We have the alpha -

I'm sorry, the bravo charging 16 system up, charging pump running.

We had a leak on 17 the charging valve 3 CSV661, and it is isolated at 18 this time.

19 MR. HOLIAN: Wayne, do you want an update, 20 that leak was on a charging system?

21 MR. RYAN: That's correct, it was a leak 22 from a valve.

23 MR. LANNING: Mr. Ryan, are you there?

24 MR. RYAN: I'm right here.

25 MR. LANNING: Okay, go ahead.

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MR. RYAN: At the present time, that's the 2

status of the plant, except for the fact that the 3

terry (phonetic) turbine did get a start signal, and 4

the terry turbine pump tripped, MS5 closed.

We had 5

two motor-driven feed pumps, so we did not attempt to 6

reset it initially, but the terry turbine pump has 7

been reset.

8 MR.

HOLIAN: Mr.

Ryan, this is Brian 9

Holian, you are breaking up just a little bit.

The 10 terry turbine has been reset, is your aux feed 11 supplying feed now?

12 MR. RYAN: One second.

13 Understand, we are feeding on three aux 14 feed water pumps, including the terry turbine.

15 MR. HOLIAN: Understand, feeding on three 16 aux feed pumps.

17 MR. RYAN: That's correct.

18 MR. HOLIAN: Steam generators are steaming 19 where now?

The MSIVs are shut.

20 MR. RYAN: The steam generator is -

I'll 21 have to get you that information, just a second.

22 MR. COLLINS: Brian, I think when we turn 23 over to Wayne, we need to be sure Wayne has a complete 24 list of, not only the initiating event, I thought I 25 heard something about a primary relief in there.

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MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, that's the first I've 2

heard of that, at 2350 they had a primary lift.

3 MR. WIGGINS: That's a new piece, Sam.

4 MR. RYAN: That's correct, it was not 5

communicated with you immediately on my turn over, 6

that primary relief has reseated.

7 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, how long was it open?

8 MR. RYAN: I will have to get information 9

from the Control Room as to how long that was open.

10 MR. WIGGINS: Well, let's also find out the 11 I presume that safety -

that primary safety goes to 12 a pressure relief tank?

13 MR. RYAN: That's correct, it goes to the 14 PRT.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, and is the PRT still 16 intact or is just ruptured?

17 MR. RYAN: I will get you the correct 18 information, I do not know that. I believe that it is 19 intact.

I will do a follow up on that.

20 MR.

COLLINS:

The question about any 21 abnormal releases.

22 MR. RYAN: We did not have any abnormal 23 releases.

24 MR. COLLINS: If John White is in there, 25 then we need to be tracking that statement.

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MR. WIGGINS: Yes, can you give us some 2

more information on the relevant sequence, did the 3

steam generator reliefs or safeties open before you 4

saw the primary relief, or was it the primary relief 5

first, followed by the steam generator?

6 MR. RYAN: I don't have that information 7

right now, so you are asking whether the primary 8

relief lifted first?

9 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, was the steam generator 10 relief lifted, MSIV closed, and then the primary 11 lifted, or was a it a different sequence?

12 MR.

RYAN:

Understand, you want the 13 sequence of reliefs lifted, concerning the primary 14 reliefs and secondary reliefs, as well as the MSIV 15 closure?

16 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, please.

17 MR. RYAN: I'll have to get that on the 18 PPC.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, thank you.

20 MR. SCHNEIDER: Hey, Jim?

21 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

22 MR. SCHNEIDER: This is Max Schneider at 23 Unit 3 Control Room.

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people all behaving like, you know, all asking 2

questions.

3 MR. LANNING: Max Schneider, I just want to 4

know your location.

5 MR. SCHNEIDER: I'm in the Unit 3 Control 6

Room, I can give you a little perspective on the 7

pressurizer reliefs if you like.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, please do.

9 MR. SCHNEIDER: They initiated SIAS, and so 10 one train of SIAS initiated automatically, and then 11 they initiated it manually.

When they do that, they 12 are charging to the plant, and they, basically, took 13 the pressurizer solid.

14 MR. WIGGINS: Right, they created the high 15 pressure.

16 MR. SCHNEIDER: Right. That happened after 17 the steam generator safeties lifted.

18 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, okay.

19 Well, Ellis was right then, he said that 20 that was likely what would happen, didn't have that 21 information when I talked to him, but he was right.

22 MR. SCHNEIDER: Yes.

23 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

24 So, Max, you are believing that this is 25 the primary was the relief that lifted?

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MR. SCHNEIDER: Right.

2 MR. WIGGINS: That was as a result of the 3

pressurizer going solid on the safety injection.

4 MR. SCHNEIDER: Absolutely. And, the steam 5

generator safeties are the ones that lifted and then 6

subsequently relifted, and there was no atmospheric 7

dump valves, because that's isolated on the MSI 8

signal. That's why, I think you were asking earlier, 9

Brian, about atmospheric dump valves.

10 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah.

11 MR. SCHNEIDER: They would not have lifted 12 once the MSI came in, it prevents them from doing 13 that.

14 MR. HOLIAN: MSIVs are shut, but aren't the 15 atmospheric dumps in the big dump still upstream of 16 that?

17 MR. SCHNEIDER: Upstream of the main steam 18 safeties -

I mean, main steam isolations, sorry.

19 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.

I mean, right now they 20 are steaming how, Max?

21 MR. SCHNEIDER: They are using the ADV's.

22 MR. OWENS: So, that's what I meant, they 23 are using the ADV's now, okay.

24 MR. SCHNEIDER: Right, yes.

25 MR. OWENS: With the MSIV's shut.

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MR.

SCHNEIDER: Actually, I think so, 2

because I wanted to get on the phone before I did a 3

walk down, but I'm not really exactly sure about that 4

one.

That would be expected once you get an MSI you 5

are going to shut your MSIV's, so I don't think they 6

reopened them, but I can find out.

7 MR. LANNING: Mr. Ryan, are you still 8

monitoring this phone? Mr. Ryan?

9 MR. RYAN: Yes, I'm still monitoring the 10 phone.

11 MR. LANNING: Can you give me a time for 12 when the MSIVs closed?

13 MR. RYAN: I can get you that time. I do 14 not have a time right off the top of my head.

15 MR. LANNING: I also need a time for the 16 termination of SI.

17 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Wayne?

18 MR. LANNING: Yes, Sam, go ahead.

19 MR. COLLINS: Okay, thank you, Wayne.

20 Those are all good questions.

I think 21 Jim's point a minute ago about aligning ourselves with 22 who has the lead for the licensee as one focus for the 23 NRC, are you prepared to take the lead?

24 MR. LANNING: I'm prepared to take the 25 lead, provided we are through with this briefing.

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want to conclude this briefing in its entirety prior 2

to separating the bridges.

3 MR. COLLINS: Okay, so for the purposes of 4

this briefing then, why don't you take the lead, 5

because you have the questions that you would need in 6

order to be comfortable with the status of the event, 7

and then we'll work questions through you, and then 8

when we are done the briefing then we'll talk about 9

the turn over.

How is that for a plan?

10 MR. LANNING: That's a good plan.

11 MR. COLLINS: Jim, are you aligned with 12 that, you and Brian?

13 MR. SANDIN: Excuse me, gentlemen, this is 14 Headquarters Operations Officer, I have Mr. Price 15 (phonetic) from Millstone, who wishes to speak to Jim 16 Wiggins.

Did you want to do that on a separate 17 conference?

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Do it on this bridge 19 until we get the bridges separate, please.

20 MR. SANDIN: Okay, do you want me to add 21 Mr. Price to this bridge then?

22 MR. PARTICIPANT: Go ahead.

23 MR. KNOKE: All right, stand by.

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4 5

6 7

8 9

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 here listening.

Is that okay, Wayne?

MR. LANNING: That's fine, yes.

MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, it's just so, what we want to get from Allen is where does he think he is and where -

you know, what things do they want to achieve before they stand down from the alert.

MR. PRICE: Good morning.

MR. LANNING: Morning, Allen, it's Wayne Lanning.

MR. PRICE: Good morning, Wayne, how are you doing today?

MR. LANNING: I'm well, sir.

You are on a bridge with numerous NRC staff.

MR.

MR.

PRICE: Yes, sir.

LANNING: And, your Mr. Ryan is also on the bridge.

MR.

MR.

to give us your MR.

MR.

terminating the MR.

MR.

PRICE: Very good.

LANNING: We're looking to you to sort status and what your plans are.

PRICE: Okay.

LANNING: Particularly, with regard to alert.

PRICE: Understand.

LANNING: Go ahead.

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MR. PRICE: Okay.

2 I will assume that you all know some of 3

the major topical areas, but I'll hit some of the 4

major milestones for you.

5 MR. LANNING: Sure.

6 MR.

PRICE: At about 08:29 a.m.,

this 7

morning, Unit No. 3, Millstone, had a reactor trip and 8

safety injection steam line low pressure.

9 As of right now, because the trip is 10 undetermined, and I understand that there was a 11 previous question with regard to tampering, we have 12 not ruled it out, but we have no reason to believe 13 that tampering was involved. That will be part of our 14 investigation, but once again, we have no reason at 15 this time to believe that tampering was involved with 16 the initiation of the reactor trip and safety 17 injection.

18 Our main safety systems did operate.

We 19 currently have -

we did go solid in our pressurizer.

20 We have recovered pressurizer level, and pressure is 21 steady, and I have an individual standing in front of 22 the status board, but we have 64 percent in the 23 pressurizer, and we are at roughly 2200 pounds in the 24 primary coolant system.

So, we have pressure control 25 and we have pressurizer level restored to scale.

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We have transitioned to our emergency 2

procedure ES1.1, safety injection termination, and we 3

have terminated the safety injection, and we're back 4

on normal charging and let down.

5 We declared our alert Charlie 1 based on 6

our

tables, which gives you a

direct alert 7

classification based on a main steam safety valve 8

stuck open, but the reason that we classified that is 9

we had a safety valve on the bravo steam generator 10 which had opened below its set point, and right now we 11 don't know if that was the initiator of the safety 12 injection or it came immediately after the safety 13 injection signal, but based on the fact that that 14 steam generator safety valve opened below its set 15 point the shift manager made the classification of 16 alert Charlie 1, and that's the classification that we 17 remain in.

18 We have not yet reached conclusion, but 19 what we are considering here in the EOF is what the 20 termination criteria would be.

With the Millstone 21 Unit No. 3 design, we are currently on the atmospheric 22 dump valves, because we have a main steam isolation 23 signal that we have manually injected, so our ability 24 to dump steam to the condenser is limited at this 25 time, and we don't have that capability at this time, NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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and we are evaluating our options to restore the 2

ability to dump steam to the condenser.

3 So, right now we are on an atmospheric 4

dump valve that's cycling periodically to remove decay 5

heat.

6 So, we are looking at our termination 7

criteria for the alert, and we believe that we are 8

there right now, but we are also looking at other 9

indications for a notification of unusual event 10 criteria.

11 I don't believe that we see any at this 12 time, but we are still going through the thought 13 process for what we need to do in order to terminate 14 from the event, and as soon as we have reached this 15 conclusion I'll be happy to call you back on this 16 bridge.

17 We do have people at the state armory, 18 last I checked about 15 minutes ago no members from 19 the state had arrived yet, only the Dominion staff was 20

there, and we have a number of members of our 21 corporate EOF staff who have already responded to the 22 corporate EOFs, and we have been in conversations with 23 them.

24 Do you have any follow-up questions right 25 now?

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MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, Mr. Price, Brian Holian 2

from Region 1 also. Did you say bravo steam generator 3

lifted a little bit low, we had understood at about 4

1100 pounds, but that's still 100 pounds above normal.

5 Was there any indication of why steam generator 6

pressure was that high even?

7 MR. PRICE: I do not have that detail at 8

this time, sir.

9 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.

10 MR. LANNING: Allen, it's Wayne.

We still 11 need you to activate ERDS for us.

12 MR. PRICE: Yes, sir.

13 MR. LANNING: Can you give me an estimate 14 of when that might occur?

15 MR. PRICE: I will get that, Wayne, and get 16 that -

let me see if I can get that information while 17 we are on the phone. Can you hold one second, please?

18 MR. LANNING: Yes.

19 MR. PRICE: Thank you.

20 MR. WIGGINS: Wayne?

21 MR. LANNING: Yes, Jim.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, this is Jim.

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started at the primary side, we ought to ask if he's 2

got any chemistry data on, you know, or anything like 3

that, has he ruled any reactor oriented thing out.

4 So, it's up to you, Wayne. You know, ask him when you 5

think it's appropriate.

6 MR. LANNING: Yeah.

7 MR. WIGGINS: Also, we haven't asked about 8

the fuel leakers, have we?

9 MR. LANNING: No.

10 MR. WIGGINS: A estimate of rad release.

11 MR. LANNING: Allen, Wayne, are you back?

12 MR. PRICE: Yes, sir, I am.

13 MR. LANNING: Okay.

14 I understand you were not able to get a 15 time for activating ERDS?

16 MR. PRICE: I'm getting that information 17 sent to me now.

18 MR. LANNING: Okay.

19 I'm also interested in what your 20 estimation is of any releases and any chemical -

21 chemistry samples that you have ongoing on the primary 22 side.

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any primary to secondary leaks. So, our rad levels at 2

this time are normal.

3 We did put some water from our charging 4

system from a relief valve on a recirc line into the 5

aux building, the last report that I had was that 6

water was clean.

7 MR. HOLIAN: Allen, Brian Owens, have you 8

been operating with any fuel leakers?

9 MR. PRICE: No, sir.

10 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.

11 MR. RYAN: This is John Ryan.

We are 12 presently on normal charging and let down.

13 MR. PRICE: Thank you, John.

14 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam, you had a 15 question on the PRT, did you get an answer to that?

16 MR. WIGGINS: No, I hadn't heard an answer.

17 MR. PRICE: The maximum primary pressure 18 that I believe we have seen has been on the order of 19 2330 pounds, that is below the set point of our power 20 operator relief valves and it's also below the set 21 point of the safety valves. Having said that, we have 22 gotten some information from the Control Room that 23 indicated that they think they had a leakage from a 24 safety valve, and we do have, when last I looked, 25 about 74 or 75 percent level in our pressurizer relief NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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tank, so we do believe that we have some leakage 2

coming from either a PORV or a safety valve.

3 MR. WIGGINS: Allen, this is Jim, just to 4

follow up, do you think the PRT is intact still? They 5

do have a rupture disk, don't they?

6 MR. PRICE: It has a rupture disk, and I do 7

not believe that rupture disk has been challenged as 8

of yet, that is correct.

9 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is the Manager of 11 Communications, at the present time we have about 82

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12 percent in the PRT, pressurizer relief tank, and it 13 shows that it is intact at this time.

14 MR. HOLIAN: Thank you, John.

15 MR. HOLIAN: John, would you say that 16 again, I could not hear you, the PRT is in tact?

17 MR. RYAN: That is correct, the PRT level 18 is increasing slowly, rising slowly, and it is at 82 19 percent, and the pressure is 64, almost 65 pounds, 20 PSIA.

21 MR. HOLIAN: Do you have any indication of

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that question, could you please ask it again?

2 MR. HOLIAN: The question is, do you have 3

indication of leakage by way of SNMP or otherwise 4

inside the containment?

5 MR. PRICE: There is none to my knowledge.

6 MR. HOLIAN: Could you verify that for me?

7 MR. PRICE: Yes, I will.

8 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam, for my 9

purposes I'd like to clarify the statement we heard 10 about primary lift versus a primary leak.

It sounds 11 like they did not have a lift but there is leakage by 12 one of the valves.

13 MR. PRICE: Is that Sam?

14 MR. COLLINS: Yes.

15 MR. PRICE: From the data that I have, Sam, 16 we should not - we did not meet the set point, the set 17 point for a safety valve, but it would appear, once 18 again, I don't have all that data in front of me, that 19 we do have indications from, I believe, a tailpipe, 20 the RTD, that we had indications of a safety valve 21 lift.

22 MR. COLLINS: Okay, and -

okay, so any 23 leakage that you would have now would be a result of 24 the event, you didn't have that leakage before, or I 25 presume you would have closed the isolation valve.

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MR. PRICE: That is correct.

2 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, just to clarify 4

that, and Mr. Price, that was you getting an RTD on 5

one of the safety valves, that doesn't have a block.

6 MR. PRICE: The safety valves do not have 7

a block, the PORV does have a block.

8 MR. COLLINS: Okay, I have it.

9 MR. PRICE: That is correct.

10 I was just handed a note that our ERDS 11 system is running.

We have that capability, so you 12 all should have that capability at this time.

13 MR. WIGGINS: Lanning, did you hear that 14 ERDS is up?

15 MR. LANNING: Yes, thank you Allen, I've 16 got that, you've actuated ERDS.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

18 MR. PRICE: Yes.

19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Mr. Price, Mr. Holian 20 from the region, are you the Emergency Director now?

21 MR. PRICE: No, I am not, Bill Hoffner 22 (phonetic) is.

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containment sump in Unit No. 3, no indications.

2 MR.

LANNING: All right, does the staff 3

have other questions?

4 MR.

WIGGINS: Yeah, Wayne, I'd like Allen 5

to understand from Allen what's the path forward as

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6 he sees it, what's his immediate plan.

You know, 7

there is a rising level in the PRT, something that 8

goes in there is leaking, if they did go solid in the 9

pressurizer I have a sense that these safety valves 10 might not like water very much, they prefer steam, 11 and, you know, what's the way out, Allen? Where are 12 you going to take the plant?

13 MR.

PRICE:

Well, clearly, our first 14 challenge was to take care of the solid pressurizer 15 conditions. We have done that, and to make sure that 16 we have a stable relationship between the primary and 17 the secondary.

I believe we have that.

18 So, we've worked our way through the 19 pressurizer - through the safety injection termination 20 criteria, the communications between the primary and 21 the secondary, we've got that stable, and now what I 22 have to do is pretty quickly get off this phone and 23 converse with the Control Room and the TSC to 24 understand exactly the answer to that question.

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into a further cool down on the primary.

2 MR. LANNING: Allen, it's Wayne again. We 3

were not able to detect that you've actuated ERDS.

4 MR. PRICE: Okay, let me check into that, 5

and we'll try our best to understand why that 6

communication is not taking place.

Should we call 7

back on this bridge number, and to whom should we ask?

8 MR. LANNING: Yes, to both of those, and 9

ask for Lanning.

10 MR. PRICE: Okay, understand, we'll ask for 11 Wayne Lanning, and we'll try to get ERDS initiated 12 with you all.

13 MR. LANNING: All right.

14 Does the staff have any other questions 15 before we move forward?

16 MR. WIGGINS: None from me, Wayne.

17 MR. LANNING: Okay.

18 MR. PRICE: We'll call you back just as 19 quickly as we can.

20 MR. LANNING: Okay, Allen, thank you for 21 that.

22 MR. PRICE: Yes, sir.

23 MR. LANNING: All right.

24 MR. WIGGINS: All right, Wayne?

25 MR. LANNING: Yes.

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MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, this is Jim.

I think 2

we have a fuller picture.

I think we need to -

if 3

you've got a good handle on it, I'm going to ask you 4

to work through the Ops Center to get Ellis back and 5

give him a better conversation.

Maybe this time you 6

get Ellis and Jim Dyer, because there have been some 7

significant differences from when I last talked to 8

him.

9 Ellis was

right, he guessed the 10 pressurizer was going to go solid. He was right on on 11 that, but I think we need to tell him that, you know, 12 all that we just heard from Allen Price.

Okay?

13 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.

14 And, Jim and Wayne, we still do not have 15 a good understanding of why pressure went high 16 originally.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, Brian, we don't know 18 what started this whole thing.

19 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.

20 MR. WIGGINS: Right now, you know, the

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going for no reason.

2 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.

3 MR. WIGGINS: And, this does not go -

this 4

does not turn around on its own.

They are going to 5

have to do something with the plant, you know, so 6

that's going to be a while.

7 MR. HOLIAN: And, we might want to ask 8

them, Wayne, when you get a chance, they should be 9

able to pump the pressurizer relief tank there like a 10 reactor coolant drain tank, maybe to stop it from 11 opening, but either way, we can ask that later.

12 MR. WIGGINS: Well, you know, presumably 13 the licensee has got procedures or processes for 14 dealing with this, and Max ought to check that out.

15 You're right Brian, we've got to understand what they 16 intend to do with this.

The PRT is just a 17 housekeeping issue.

18 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, that's right.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, what's more important, 20 to me, appears to be that there's some decision to 21 stop that leakage into the filling out of the RCS, 22 right?

23 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.

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know, kind of cold.

2 MR. HOLIAN: And, right now we'll have to 3

look at that, I guess the indication is only one 4

relief lifting, we'll have to clarify that, I mean one 5

relief leaking, sorry.

6 MR. WIGGINS: Well, you know, they did see 7

it on a tailpipe, I guess. They saw that's where it 8

lifted.

9 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC, Region 1, is 10 anyone on this bridge?

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is the Manager of 12 Communications, Millstone, I am on the bridge.

13 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you.

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, I was wondering if 15 you have a number for the agency ENS phone.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Say it again.

17 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

I have the HP ENS 18 communicator trying to establish communications, and 19 we are trying to find out what number they would like 20 us to -

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, let me -

I'll get 22 back to you.

23 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand you'll get 24 back to me.

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Region 1.

2 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

This is Manager of 3

Communications at Millstone Station.

4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, your question about 5

the HPN line, we are not going to be setting up an HPN 6

line, we will make -

this is the ENS line that we are 7

on now, and we'll just maintain it.

But, as it stands 8

now, there won't be an HPN number.

9 MR. PARTICIPANT: I understand there won't 10 be an HPN number, so do you expect all HP RAD 11 communications to go over this line?

12 MR. PARTICIPANT: Are you expecting a lot 13 of that?

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, I'm not.

15 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, I guess if the event 16 does occur where you have radiation levels change, you 17 expect it to go over this line.

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.

19 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Understand, rad 20 communications will go over this line.

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay?

22 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand, that's okay.

23 MR. PARTICIPANT: Thank you.

24 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is Management 25 Communications, who am I talking to?

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MR. DOERFLEIN: This is Larry Doerflein, 2

Region 1.

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Larry?

4 MR. DOERFLEIN: Doerflein.

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Can you spell that for 6

me?

7 MR. DOERFLEIN: D-O-E-R-F-L-E-I-N.

8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you very 9

much.

10 MR. DOERFLEIN: Yes.

11 MS. HINSON (phonetic): Control Room, this 12 is Felicia Hinson. Are you on the line, or actually, 13 EOF?

14 MR.

RYAN:

This is EOF Manager of 15 Communications, my name is John Ryan, and your name 16 is?

17 MS. HINSON: Hi, John, it's Felicia Hinson.

18 I'm here with Larry Doerflein.

19 I just have a quick question. Do you have 20 a link back to the Control Room?

21 MR. RYAN: Yes, I do.

22 MS. HINSON: Can you find out if the NRC 23 resident inspector, Max Schneider, is in the Control 24 Room? I know he's there, but I just need to make sure 25 that he is on his NRC communication link.

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MR. RYAN: Understand, you wish to find out 2

whether Max is on the NRC communications link.

3 MS. HINSON: Yes.

4 MR. RYAN: That's correct, I'll get back to 5

you.

6 MS. HINSON: Thank you.

7 MR. RYAN: You are welcome.

8 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is Manager of 9

Communication, Millstone Station, NRC, Region 1.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Hi, is this Larry?

11 MR. DOERFLEIN: Yes.

12 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Yes, Max is in the 13 Control Room, and he has on the NRC bridge.

14 MR. DOERFLEIN: Yes, I was just listening 15 to that bridge.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

17 MR. DOERFLEIN: Thank you.

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: You are welcome.

19 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Millstone Management 20 Communication link, this is NRC Region 1.

21 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Manager of 22 Communications, Millstone Station.

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that is?

2 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, I do not, but I will 3

get back to you.

4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you.

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is Manager 6

Communications, Millstone Station.

7 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC Region 1.

8 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC wanted to pass along 9

some information.

We are going to Mode 5, cold shut 10 down. That was determined in the SOA (phonetic) brief 11 that was held at 11:17.

12 MR. PARTICIPANT: You are cutting up, can 13 you say that again?

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: I'm to pass along that 15 the plan is to go to Mode 5, cold shut down.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

17 MR. PARTICIPANT: That information was 18 given to us to transfer to you at the Director 19 briefing.

20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: I've actually got another 22 question.

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get a hold of your Public Affairs officer, I guess 2

they've been trying to get a hold of a Pete Hines 3

(phonetic), but they are not available at this point, 4

so the question is, who is the Public Affairs officer, 5

and how do we get a hold of him, so our Public Affairs 6

officer can talk to him?

7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand you want to 8

know who the Public Affairs officer is, and how you 9

can establish communication with him.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: I will get back to you.

12 MR. PARTICIPANT: Thank you.

13 MR. PARTICIPANT: You are welcome.

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is Manager 15 Communications, Millstone Station.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC.

17 18 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, the Public Affairs officer 19 is Pete Hyde, H-Y-D-E, and he can be reached at area 20 code 860-966-2804.

Would you repeat that back?

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, it's Pete Hyde, H-22 Y-D-E, and the number is 860-966-2804.

23 MR. PARTICIPANT: That's correct.

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2 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand.

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: One more thing, we still 4

have not gotten ERDS up to speed and running, so could 5

you find out if they are working that?

6 MR. PARTICIPANT: We are working trying to 7

get ERDS established.

8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

9 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right, thank you.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: You are welcome.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC, Region 1.

12 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is the Manager 13 of Communications, Millstone Station.

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Another - a request 15 has come up, the base team manager here, Lanning, 16 would like a manager, either, I don't know if it's 17 Price or who would be the right guy who would know, 18 but they would like a briefing on what sort of public 19 notifications have taken place.

20 We realize you are steaming on ADVs, 21 people may know that, may hear that, may be concerned, 22 they'd be interested knowing on what kind of -

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2 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

Yes, I can.

That 3

information normally comes through me.

4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: We have sent out three 6

messages through our emergency notification system, 7

and the last one was sent out at 11:14.

It was an 8

update, and I do not have any idea of press releases, 9

but I can get that for you. I'll get that for you and 10 I'll give it to you.

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PARTICIPANT:

Okay, and those 12 notifications that you put out, they go to a pretty 13 wide distribution of public officials and stuff?

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, absolutely, local, 15 state.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

17 MR. PARTICIPANT: All are notified of that.

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, I'll pass that on, 19 but I still think they would like somebody to describe 20 what's in them or something, if you could arrange 21 somebody to do that.

22 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand, would they 23 like the hard copy faxed to them?

24 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sure, why not.

25 MR. PARTICIPANT: Do you have a fax number?

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MR. PARTICIPANT: Hang on as second. Wait 2

a minute.

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.

4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand.

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you.

6 MR. PARTICIPANT: Millstone, this is NRC 7

Region 1 again.

8 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

This is Millstone 9

Station.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: While you're searching 11 for someone who can tell us about that, those 12 communications that have been outgoing, I've also been 13 asked to get a current plant status brief, where you 14 stand now, any new information, you already told me 15 you plan to go to cold shut down, when is that going 16 to happen, you know, a status briefing in about ten to 17 15 minutes.

Can you arrange for that?

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: A status briefing in ten 19 to 15 minutes, yes, I can.

20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you.

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right.

22 MR. PARTICIPANT: NRC, this is Manager 23 Communications at Millstone Station.

24 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC, Region 1.

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MR. PARTICIPANT: Good, thank you, yeah, we did get it up on the screen.

MR. PARTICIPANT:

Understand, it's up on the screen.

MR. PARTICIPANT: Is that it?

MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, if you want me to update you on plant status, I can give you a plant status right now.

MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, but I think the management team would still like that briefing in, you know, ten minutes, whatever.

MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand.

MR. PARTICIPANT: So, you might as well wait til that.

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Okay.

All right?

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All right.

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say, but have you found somebody to give the status 2

briefing over the other link yet?

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: I'm prepared to give it, 4

do you want me to go over to the -

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Well, are you the person 6

that will be doing it?

7 MR. PARTICIPANT: I can do it, or I can get 8

somebody else to do it, but right now my Directors are 9

in a meeting trying to look at termination criteria.

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Who would you like to 12 have do the briefing?

13 MR. PARTICIPANT: Just hang on a second.

14 MR. PARTICIPANT: Millstone, this is NRC 15 Region 1.

16 MR.

PARTICIPANT:

This is Millstone 17 Station.

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, we'll let you do 19 the briefing, but we are trying to combine the two 20 bridges so you don't have to go off, physically go off 21 this line, just give me a minute to combine the 22 bridges.

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MR. PARTICIPANT: I am faxing them as we speak.

MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you very much.

MR. PARTICIPANT: And, that's going to Region 1, right?

MR. PARTICIPANT: Right.

MR. PARTICIPANT: To Larry Doerflein?

MR. PARTICIPANT: Right.

MR. PARTICIPANT: It's coming to you.

MR. PARTICIPANT: Thank you.

MR. PARTICIPANT: On its way.

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Communicatic that line no Okay.

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Are you getting me on that bridge?

Mr. Ryan?

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status briefing when you are ready.

2 MR. RYAN: Understand you are ready for a 3

status briefing.

4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Just announce yourself to 5

see if you can come on the bridge.

I may have been 6

premature there.

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This is Millstone 8

Communications, am I on the NRC bridge?

9 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, something is not 10 working, just wait one second.

11 MR.

GOTT:

This is the Headquarters 12 Operations Officer, I'm getting ready to link up the 13 ENS and the reactor safety team bridges for a 14 briefing.

15 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is NRC Region 1, 16 understand.

17 MR. RYAN: This is Millstone Management 18 Communications.

19 MR. GOTT: Okay, the reactor safety team 20 bridge and the ENS bridges are linked.

21 MS. HINSON: And ET bridge.

22 MR. LANNING: All right, Mr. Ryan, are you 23 there?

24 MR. RYAN: Yes, this is the Management 25 Communications.

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MR. LANNING: Is this Mr. Ryan?

2 MR. RYAN: This is Mr. John Ryan.

3 MR. LANNING: Okay, Mr. Ryan, this is Wayne 4

Lanning.

I'm looking for a couple of things, if you 5

could, first could you give us an update, the status 6

of the plant, and planned actions, and then I'd like 7

to have a discussion pertaining to what notifications 8

you have been making to the local public officials, 9

and what press releases you have issued.

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I understand this is 11 Management Communications, John Ryan, ready for a 12 plant brief.

13 MR. LANNING:

John, can you stand by a 14 minute?

John Ryan, go ahead, John, with your brief.

15 MR. RYAN: Understand, go ahead with the 16 brief.

17 The plant, at this present time, is sub-18 cooled by 88 degrees, RCS pressure is 2260, the 19 maximum core exit thermocouples are 555 degrees, 20 reactor vessel level is 100 percent.

The RCS -

I'm 21 sorry, the pressurizer level is 57 percent.

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then we did pump it down.

2 The secondary

side, as far as the 3

secondary side goes, the steam generator pressure, 4

just a minute that's coming up right now, are 5

approximately 1080 pounds on all four steam 6

generators.

We are feeding the steam generators on 7

aux feed, maintaining steam generator level, and 8

radiation levels have not changed since the initial 9

event. They did not change during the initial event.

10 MR. LANNING: John, would you clarify what 11 you mean by that, is this based on a secondary sample 12 or what?

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No, this is based on the 14 radiation monitoring system in the Control Room, rad 15 monitors.

16 MR. LANNING: Have you confirmed you have 17 no primary to secondary leaks?

18 MR. RYAN: At the present time, we have 19 sampled alpha, bravo and Charlie steam generators, and 20 there is no rad levels detected in there, and we have 21 determined that there is no primary or secondary 22 leaks.

We are getting a sample on the delta at this 23 time.

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2 MR. LANNING: All right, go ahead.

3 What can you tell us about the indication 4

of leakage through the PORV or the primary safety 5

valves?

6 MR. RYAN: At the present time, the PRT, 7

which is the pressure release tank, is -

the level is 8

fluctuating because we are pumping it up and cooling 9

it down with primary grade water, so the detection on 10 that is really not available to me.

I can get you 11 tailpipe temperatures on the relief valves and I'll 12 get them while we continue to talk.

13 MR. LANNING: Okay, appreciate that.

14 I understand, are you still in normal 15 charging and let down?

16 MR. RYAN: Yes, we are still doing normal 17 charging and let down.

18 We are still in ES 1.1, which is SI 19 termination criteria, and we are doing a brief right 20 now to enter OP3208, which is RCS cool down.

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some incite as to what parameters must be met to exit 2

the alert and maybe go to a UE or whatever?

3 MR. RYAN: The Directors are discussing 4

that at this time, and that's why I'm giving you the 5

brief.

They are in a meeting right now, but as soon 6

as we know I will get back to you.

7 MR. LANNING: Okay.

8 I'm going to stand by for the tailpipe 9

temperatures.

10 MR. RYAN: That's correct, and while we are 11 standing by for them we have released three incident 12 report forms, which go out to the local officials, and 13 the state officials, and all of the first selectman 14 was in the Emergency Planning Zone get a page, and 15 they can call in and get a recording as to what the 16 incident report form's content is.

Those were faxed 17 to Region 1.

18 MR. LANNING: We have not received those, 19 John.

20 MR. RYAN: I faxed them to the Region 1 21 office.

22 MR. LANNING: We have not received those.

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MR. RYAN: Understand they are coming in now.

MR. LANNING: We have one, yes.

MR. RYAN: You will have three incident report forms, and one news release form.

The news release form goes out to the paper press.

MR. LANNING: And, you sent that to us also?

MR. RYAN: That's correct, I did send that to you, that release was made at 11:17.

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