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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Shearon Harris Nuclear Power Plant Unit 1 License Renewal Public Meeting - Evening Session Docket Number:
(05000400)
Location:
Apex, North Carolina Date:
Wednesday, April 18, 2007 Work Order No.:
NRC-1522 Pages 1-62 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 LICENSE RENEWAL AND SCOPING PROCESS 4
SHEARON HARRIS NUCLEAR POWER PLANT UNIT 1 5
PUBLIC MEETING - EVENING SESSION 6
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7 Wednesday, 8
April 18, 2007 9
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10 Apex, North Carolina 11 The Public Meeting was held at 7:00 p.m. in the 12 New Horizons Fellowship, 820 Williams Street, Apex, 13 North Carolina, Lance Rakovan, Facilitator, 14 presiding.
15 APPEARANCES:
16 SAM HERNANDEZ - NRC 17 MAURICE HEATH - NRC 18 RANI FRANOVICH - NRC 19 MAYOR DICK SEARS 20 GINA DEAN 21 ANN TURNBILL 22 LEE CRAIG 23 LOU EBERT 24 JOHN RUKAVINA 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MARVIN FURMAN 1
SANDY JORDAN 2
BERNIE HODGES 3
HILDA PINNIX-RAGLAND 4
ELIZABETH ROOKS 5
WILLIAM D. LYNCH 6
ED BONNER 7
SCOTT LASELL 8
TONY GURLEY 9
DONNA ALEXANDER 10 HERMAN JAFFE 11 JACKIE CLEMENTS 12 ROBERT DUNCAN 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 A-G-E-N-D-A 1
2 WELCOME AND PURPOSE OF MEETING 4
3 OVERVIEW OF LICENSE RENEWAL PROCESS 8
4 OVERVIEW OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS 14 5
PUBLIC COMMENTS 22 6
CLOSING COMMENTS 54 7
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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 1
7:00 p.m.
2 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Good evening. My 3
name is Lance Rakovan. I am a communications 4
assistant at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, or 5
NRC.
6 I would like to welcome you to tonight's 7
public meeting. It is my pleasure to serve as your 8
facilitator, tonight. It is very good to be in North 9
Carolina tonight, and I want to thank those who agreed 10 to allow us to have the public meeting here, it is a 11 very good space.
12 The meeting this afternoon was a very good 13 meeting, and I'm hoping tonight works out to be the 14 same. The purpose for the meeting is to discuss the 15 license renewal process, and environmental scoping for 16 the Shearon Harris nuclear power plant, unit 1, 17 license renewal application review.
18 Just to make sure that everybody is aware, 19 the term scoping, something we will be using a lot 20 tonight, is a term used in conjunction with preparing 21 an environmental impact statement.
22 Basically it helps the NRC determine what 23 should be included in the scope of the environmental 24 impact statements we will prepare. In other words, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 what issues we will address.
1 2
To give you an idea of the format of 3
tonight's meeting, we are going to start out with a 4
few presentations by NRC staff. After that we are 5
going to allow a short time for Q's and A's, if you 6
have any questions, in terms of want some 7
clarification on the presentations that were given.
8 And then I have a number of people who 9
have signed up to speak, so we would like to go to the 10 comments quickly, if possible.
11 Again, if you could hold your questions to 12 the ends of the presentation, it would help us out a 13 lot. Please keep in mind that any comments we 14 receive, tonight, on the scoping, are going to be the 15 same as if you sent them in written form to the NRC.
16 We are keeping a transcript of tonight's 17 meeting. So whatever you say will be down, and we 18 will have a written log of it. Since we are 19 transcribing it will certainly help keep a clean 20 transcript of the meeting if everyone who speaks can 21 make sure that there is only one person speaking at a 22 time.
23 And, also, if you could use a microphone 24 when you do speak. Again, that will just help our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 transcriber make sure that we get everything down, and 1
make sure that we are clear on who said what, and what 2
you said.
3 When you do make a question, or a comment, 4
if you could at least the first time introduce 5
yourself, and also if you are representing a 6
particular organization, if you could let us know what 7
organization that is.
8 Given the number of speakers we have, if 9
you could keep your comments to about five minutes, 10 that seems to work out pretty well. That should allow 11 everyone to speak, but also keep the meeting going.
12 Just a few general meeting type things.
13 If you could silence your cellphones, or beepers. A 14 cellphone going off in the middle of a meeting can 15 certainly derail things, or distract from it.
16 Also, we have the back table, hopefully 17 you signed in. There are copies of the presentations 18 so, hopefully, you all picked those up. There were 19 also public meeting feedback forms.
20 If you could take a moment to fill that 21 out we would really appreciate it. It is quite 22 helpful. Just give your opinion of tonight's meeting, 23 how you think it could have gone better, or if it went 24 perfect, you are okay with it that way, that is okay, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 too.
1 You can give that to me, leave it out on 2
the table, or postage is free if you want to drop it 3
into the mail, and it will get to us. Those do help 4
us kind of hone, in terms of our public meetings. So 5
if you would take a moment we would really appreciate 6
your filling those out.
7 I would like to introduce our two speakers 8
tonight. First of all, Sam Hernandez. Sam is an 9
environmental project manager. He has been with the 10 NRC for about four years, working on environmental 11 reviews.
12 He has a bachelor's degree, in chemical 13 engineering, from the University of Puerto Rico and 14 is, currently, pursuing a
master's degree in 15 environmental engineering from the University of 16 Maryland.
17 The other speaker is Maurice Heath.
18 Maurice is a project manager for license review, 19 renewal sorry, at the NRC. He has also been with the 20 NRC for about four years. He has a bachelor's of 21 science for mechanical engineering, from North 22 Carolina A&T.
23 One other comment that I wanted to make.
24 I was given a copy of an article that was in the News 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and Observer, called "getting involved". It made the 1
statement, "if opponents claim deficiencies in 2
Progress Energy's application, or problems at the 3
nuclear plant, then they can ask the NRC for an 4
evidentiary hearing. Such a hearing would extend 5
proceedings by at least half a year."
6 I just want to say that we are going to go 7
into a little more detail as to what, specifically, we 8
are looking for, in terms of environmental scoping, 9
and the comments that we are looking for tonight.
10 It says, "problems at the nuclear plant".
11 The NRC has a number of different processes for 12 handling what you would call a problem at the nuclear 13 plant.
14 So if you have any questions on how to 15 handle something like that, you can ask any of the NRC 16 employees here, and we will help you figure out the 17 correct mechanism to take care of that.
18 I believe I have covered everything that 19 I would like to say, to start off the meeting. So I'm 20 looking forward to a productive one, and I will turn 21 the meeting over to Sam. Sorry, to Maurice.
22 MR. HEATH: Good evening. As Lance 23 mentioned, my name is Maurice Heath and I'm the 24 project manager responsible for the review of Shearon 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Harris nuclear power plant license renewal 1
application.
2 As Lance mentioned, the purpose of 3
tonight's meeting is to provide an overview of the 4
NRC's license renewal review processes, and to receive 5
your comments on the scope of the environmental 6
review.
7 I would like to reiterate that we will be 8
answering your questions at the end of today's 9
presentation. So please hold your comments until the 10 appropriate period during the meeting.
11 Before I get into a discussion of the 12 license renewal process, I would like to take a minute 13 to talk about the NRC in terms of what we do, and what 14 our mission is.
15 The two principal NRC governing statutes 16 are the Atomic Energy Act, and the National 17 Environmental Policy Act of 1969, better known as 18 NEPA.
19 The Atomic Energy Act authorizes the NRC 20 to regulate the civilian use of nuclear material. The 21 specific regulations that the NRC enforces are 22 contained in Title 10 of the Code of Federal 23 Regulations, commonly known as 10CFR. 24 The Atomic Energy Act also authorizes the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 NRC to grant a 40 year operating license for nuclear 1
power reactors, and allowing for renewal of this 2
license.
3 It is important to note that the 40 year 4
term was based on, primarily, economic considerations, 5
and anti-trust factors, and not on safety or technical 6
limitations.
7 The second governing statute is NEPA of 8
- 1969, that established a
national policy for 9
considering the impact of federal decisionmaking on 10 the environment.
11 In exercising its authority the NRC's 12 mission is three-fold, to ensure adequate protection 13 of public health and safety, to promote the common 14 defense and security, and to protect the environment.
15 The NRC accomplishes its mission through 16 a combination of regulatory programs and processes, 17 such as conducting inspections, issuing enforcement 18
- actions, assessing licensee performance, and 19 evaluating operating experience from nuclear plants 20 across the country, and internationally.
21 One important element of our inspection 22 program are the resident inspectors. The NRC has 23 resident inspectors at all operating nuclear power 24 plants. Their job is to carry out our safety mission 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 on a daily basis by ensuring that these plants have 1
acceptable safety performances, and compliance with 2
the regulatory requirements.
3 They are considered the eyes and ears of 4
the NRC. And tonight we have in the audience, our 5
senior resident inspector, Mr. Phil O'Bryan, and our 6
resident inspector, Mr. Michael King. And both of 7
them are stationed at the Shearon Harris nuclear power 8
plant.
9 The current operating license for Shearon 10 Harris will expire on October 24th, 2026. On November 11 14th, 2006, CP&L, doing business as Progress Energy, 12 owner of the plant, submitted an application for 13 renewal of the Shearon Harris operating license for an 14 additional 20 years.
15 Copies of the Shearon Harris license 16 renewal application are available for review at Eva H.
17 Perry library, in Apex, North Carolina, and the West 18 Regional Library here in Cary. For tonight's meeting 19 we have copies, outside, on disk, if you would like to 20 take one.
21 The regulations governing license renewal 22 are based on two guiding principles. To effectively 23 communicate these principles I need to describe a 24 concept, or term of art, used by the NRC. That concept 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 is licensing basis.
1 Licensing basis is a wide range of design 2
and operational requirements, and conditions, that 3
must be met for the plant to comply with its operating 4
license. It serves as a basis upon which the NRC 5
originally licensed that plant, and allows that plant 6
to continue to operate.
7 Now, as I mentioned, the regulations 8
governing license renewal are based on these two 9
principles. The first is that the current regulatory 10 process is adequate to ensure that the licensing basis 11 of all currently operating plants provide and maintain 12 an acceptable level of safety.
13 The second principle is that the current 14 plant specific licensing basis must be maintained 15 during the renewal term in the same manner, and to the 16 same extent, as during the original license term.
17 To ensure that the plant's current 18 licensing basis is maintained during an extended 19 period of operation, the effects of aging must be 20 understood and addressed.
21 The Staff conducts a rigorous review of 22 new and existing
- programs, and surveillance 23 activities, to determine, with reasonable assurance, 24 that the effects of aging, for certain plant 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 structures,
- systems, and components, will be 1
adequately managed, or monitored.
2 This slide is a list of the content of the 3
license renewal application submitted by Progress 4
Energy. The Staff reviews this information to verify 5
that all aging will be managed effectively and 6
environmental impacts are characterized and disclosed.
7 This diagram represents the license 8
renewal process. The top portion of the diagram shows 9
the safety process, and the bottom portion shows the 10 environmental process.
11 These two reviews are conducted in 12 parallel to evaluate two separate aspects of the 13 license renewal application.
14 The yellow starburst figures represent 15 opportunities for public involvement. Tonight's 16 meeting we are in the first yellow figure, which is to 17 solicit your comments on the scope of the 18 environmental review.
19 During the safety review the Staff 20 conducts an audit to evaluate adequacy of the 21 technical information in the license renewal 22 application. The NRC's qualified inspectors perform 23 on-site inspections to verify that the applicant's 24 aging management programs, and activities, are 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 implemented, or have been planned for implementation.
1 Then the results of the safety review are 2
documented in a
safety evaluation report and 3
inspection report. The safety evaluation report, or 4
SER, is forwarded to the Advisory Committee on Reactor 5
Safeguards, otherwise known as ACRS, who will perform 6
an independent review of both license renewal 7
application, and the NRC's staff safety evaluation.
8 The ACRS is a group of scientists, and 9
nuclear experts, who serve as a consulting body to the 10 Commission. The ACRS reports their findings, and 11 recommendations, directly to the Commission.
12 To perform an environmental review the 13 Staff conducts an on-site environmental audit, and 14 generates a draft and final generic environmental 15 impact statement.
16 In the second part of this presentation 17 Sam Hernandez, the environmental project manager, will 18 provide a detailed overview of the environmental 19 process.
20 In summary, for the safety review process, 21 the NRC reviews the applicant's renewal application, 22 reviews supporting documentation, and conducts on-site 23 audit and inspections.
24 Thereafter the Staff documents the basis 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and conclusion, of its review, in a publicly available 1
safety evaluation report. And, finally, after the 2
ACRS has completed their independent review of both 3
the license renewal application, and the Staff's 4
safety evaluation report, they offer a recommendation 5
to the Commission regarding proposed action to issue 6
a renewed operating license.
7 Before turning the presentation over to 8
Mr. Hernandez, to discuss the environmental review 9
process, I would like to mention a few important areas 10 of NRC oversight, that are separate from the license 11 renewal process.
12 They include emergency planning, security, 13 and current safety performance. The NRC monitors, and 14 provides, regulatory oversight of activities, in these 15 areas, on an ongoing basis, under the current 16 operating license.
17 Therefore we do not reevaluate them in 18 license renewal. The reason why these areas are not 19 reevaluated is because they are subject to ongoing NRC 20 inspection and oversight.
21 Any issues are identified and addressed, 22 immediately, under the current operating license. For 23 more information about the reactor oversight process 24 for Shearon Harris, you can follow the link at the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 bottom of the page.
1 That concludes my presentation of the 2
safety review process for license renewal. Now I'm 3
going to turn it over to Sam Hernandez to provide an 4
overview of the environmental review process. Sam?
5 MR. HERNANDEZ: Hi. My name is Sam 6
Hernandez. I'm an environmental project manager for 7
the NRC. I'm responsible for coordinating all the 8
activities of the NRC Staff to prepare an 9
environmental impact statement associated with the 10 proposed license renewal of the Shearon Harris nuclear 11 power plant.
12 The National Environmental Policy Act of 13 1969 requires that all federal agencies follow a 14 systematic approach in evaluating potential impacts 15 associated with certain actions.
16 We, at the NRC, are required to consider 17 the impact of the proposed action and, also, any 18 mitigation for those impacts we consider to be 19 significant.
20 We are also required to consider 21 alternatives to the proposed action, in this case, the 22 license renewal of Shearon Harris, and in other 23 alternatives we include the no action alternative.
24 In other words, if we decide not to 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 approve the license renewal for Shearon Harris, what 1
are the environmental impacts? The NRC has determined 2
that an environmental impact statement, or EIS, will 3
be prepared for any proposed license renewal of 4
nuclear plants.
5 In preparing an environmental impact 6
statement the NRC conducts a scoping process. The 7
purpose of this scoping process is to identify any 8
important issues, and information, to be analyzed in 9
depth during our review.
10 We are now in the scoping process for 11 Shearon Harris, and are here today, gathering 12 information, and collecting public comments on the 13 scope of our review.
14 Simply put, what special issues should the 15 Staff consider in preparing the environmental impact 16 statement for the license renewal of Shearon Harris.
17 In that framework I want to provide an 18 overview of the environmental review. In the 1990s 19 the NRC staff developed a generic environmental impact 20 statement, or GEIS.
21 The GEIS documented the environmental 22 impacts of renewing the operating licenses for all the 23 nuclear power plants in the nation. As a result of 24 that analysis the NRC was able to conclude that 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 several environmental issues were common, or similar, 1
to all nuclear power plants.
2 The environmental impact associated with 3
those issues was a small impact at all sites. The NRC 4
Staff, in our review, would also evaluate any new and 5
significant information that might call into question 6
the conclusions that were previously reached in the 7
GEIS.
8 Now, the NRC also concluded that there are 9
several issues to which a generic determination, or 10 conclusion, could not be reached. And for these 11 issues the NRC will prepare a site specific 12 supplemental environmental impact statement, or SEIS, 13 which is a supplement.
14 And that is the reason we are here today 15 requesting your comments on the scope of the site 16 specific environmental impact statement for Shearon 17 Harris.
18 Now, I want to explain, and give an 19 example of what I mean by an issue that was 20 generically dispositioned, and another issue that we 21 believe that it is not the same at all plants, so a 22 site specific additional review is needed.
23 An example of what we consider a generic 24 issue is bird collisions with cooling towers. These 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 collisions have not been found to be a problem at 1
operating nuclear power plants, and are not expected 2
to be a problem during the license renewal term. It 3
is an issue that was dispositioned as generic. In our 4
review we will conduct an evaluation to see if there 5
is any new and significant information that might call 6
into question that conclusion.
7 As for site specific issue, an example is 8
impacts on threatened or endangered species.
9 Continued operation is not expected to adversely 10 affect, threaten, or endanger, species. However, 11 consultation with appropriate agencies is needed at 12 the time of the license renewal, to determine whether 13 threatened, or endangered species, are present and 14 whether they would be adversely affected. So this is 15 an issue that would be included in our site specific 16 supplement.
17 When the review is completed, the GEIS, 18 and the site specific supplemental environmental 19 impact, will be the complete record of the 20 environmental review.
21 This diagram shows the subject areas that 22 we will be looking at, and we will be evaluating in 23 our site specific environmental impact statement for 24 Shearon Harris. We have some of them listed here, and 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 are included in your slides.
1 So how does the public provide input for 2
the decisionmaking? This diagram shows some of the 3
inputs that are used for the license renewal decision.
4 Today we are here soliciting your comments on the 5
scope of the environmental review, and we will 6
consider all comments, received during the scoping, in 7
developing the draft supplemental environmental impact 8
statement.
9 Also, there is an opportunity to request 10 a hearing, right here at the bottom. The opportunity 11 for a hearing closes on May 19, 2007. And additional 12 information about the hearing process is attached to 13 the handouts that you received at the registration 14 table.
15 Specifically, if you look at the Federal 16 Register Notice, there is additional information on 17 how to request a hearing in the proceedings.
18 Now, I would like to clarify that the 19 hearing opportunity, and the public comments on the 20 scope of the environmental review, are two different 21 processes. Today we are accepting your comments on 22 the scope of an environmental review.
23 So how do you provide your comments? You 24 can do it here, during our comment portion of the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 meeting. If you are not ready to provide a comment 1
today, you can send us your comment via regular mail, 2
or you can also send your comment via email.
3 The special address that we have set up in 4
the NRC, for receiving comments on the scoping of the 5
environmental review for Shearon
- Harris, is 6
ShearonHarrisEIS@nrc.gov.
7 Also you can deliver your comments, in 8
person, if you wish to. Or you can provide your 9
written comment, today, to us. I want to point out 10 that the scoping commend period ends on May 19th of 11
'07. So we would appreciate it if you could send your 12 comments, if you have any, by that date.
13 I want to give you some information about 14 the overall review schedule. All this information is 15 provided in your handouts, so I won't bore you going 16 all over them. But all of these items, highlighted in 17 yellow here, are the opportunities for public 18 involvement.
19 Right now we are in the scoping process.
20 The scoping process closes on May 19th, 2007. Also we 21 have an opportunity to request a hearing. The 22 opportunity to request a hearing closes in May 19th.
23 As I told you, earlier, there is more 24 detailed information in your handouts about that 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 process.
1 We expect to issue a scoping summary 2
report in July of '07. In that report we will have 3
the summary of all the issues that were brought up 4
during scoping. If you provided your address at the 5
registration table, we will make sure that you receive 6
a copy of that summary.
7 After that we expect to publish the draft 8
environmental impact statement in December of '07.
9 And that document will be up for a period of public 10 comment of 75 days. And we will have another meeting, 11 here, to request your comments on the draft 12 environmental impact statement.
13 We expect to conduct the public meeting 14 somewhere around January of '08. We anticipate 15 issuing the final supplemental environmental impact 16 statement in August of 2008.
17 This is some additional information. If 18 you have any question about what was said, here today, 19 or you need information you might find useful to 20 submit your comments, you can call people listed here, 21 for information.
22 Also, as previously mentioned, the license 23 renewal application, and the environmental report, 24 submitted by the applicant, are available in these two 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 local libraries.
1 In these local libraries you will also be 2
able to inspect the scoping summary report, the draft 3
environmental impact statement, the safety evaluation 4
report, and the final supplemental environmental 5
impact statement, once the NRC staff issues these 6
documents.
7 And you can also go to the NRC website and 8
find information. If you have any problem locating 9
any document, in the NRC website, you can call any one 10 of us, and we will make sure you obtain the 11 information you are looking for.
12 And that concludes my remarks. Thank you.
13 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thanks, guys.
14 Does anyone have any clarifying comments on the 15 presentations, before we turn things over to the 16 comments?
17 (No response.)
18 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: I don't see any 19 hands. If you did, the NRC employees will be hanging 20 around after the meeting, so if you had something that 21 you wanted to speak with them, specifically about, 22 there will be a number of people that you can grab.
23 I'm going to go ahead and go to the cards 24 that I have, in terms of the people who have signed up 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 to speak. I'm going to start things up with Mayor 1
Dick Sears, from Holly Springs, North Carolina.
2 Why don't you come to the podium up here, 3
and that way people can see you. That microphone is 4
kind of in the dark, and it is next to the pillar.
5 Well, if you would rather, that is okay, too.
6 MAYOR SEARS: Hi, there. I'm Mayor Dick 7
Sears, of Holly Springs. This town, as you well know, 8
is the closest town to the plant. And I'm pleased to 9
support, pleased to support, Progress Energy's request 10 for license renewal.
11 Briefly, which is difficult for mayors, 12 the reasons behind that would include I met with both 13 of these gentlemen, several months ago, and we talked 14 about this in detail.
15 The plant has been part of our area, now, 16 for almost 20 years. And, in my opinion, they have 17 supplied
- safe, reliable, efficient, and clean 18 electricity to our town, region, and state.
19 We also have several members of their 20 staff living in Holly Springs, which we are very proud 21 of. And I enjoy a very close, personal relationship 22 with the Progress Energy team.
23 I have toured the plant at least four to 24 five times, the total plant, inside, out, the whole 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 nine yards. And I, personally, am very pleased and 1
comfortable with their safety precautions.
2 I would also encourage any elected 3
officials who might be here, or others, to do the same 4
thing that I have done, take a look at the plant, go 5
through the whole thing, you will be impressed.
6 And, in summary, due to the rapid growth 7
in our area, in particular Holly Springs, we are 8
moving in 2.7 families every day. We need Shearon 9
Harris and we need the electricity.
10 We also need roads, which is another 11 subject that we will talk about at a different time, 12 for the traffic that all these people bring to our 13 area.
14 So, again, I support the license renewal 15 program for Progress Energy, and thank you for your 16 time. That was brief.
17 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mayor 18 Sears. I had a number of people who requested that 19 they could go early, so I'm going to try to allow 20 those people to comment first.
21 I have Gina Dean, from the NAACP. Are you 22 ready, Ms. Dean?
23 MS. DEAN: Good evening, and thank you so 24 much for granting that request. I have a little one 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and, you know, school is 7:50 in the morning, but we 1
have tried to do our homework in the back.
2 My name is Gina Dean, and I'm the state 3
advisor for the NAACP for the State of North Carolina.
4 And I represent over 3,000 young people, including a 5
zero to 25. My 11 month old is somewhere around here, 6
and we want you to have a good, quiet meeting.
7 And I coordinate, in your service area, 8
the young people and, of course, across the state.
9 And it has been a pleasure to work with Progress 10 Energy employees since 1999, if my memory serves 11 correct, and I have worked with many.
12 We have had the opportunity to visit, any 13 time we wanted to go to the Shearon Harris plant it 14 has been open to us, for the community leaders. Of 15 course it is not an open highway, everybody can't go.
16 But if you are a community leader they 17 have deemed it okay for us to go. And we have been 18 excited that every state conference president of the 19 NAACP has visited, and has seen it to be okay.
20 We have just been impressed with the 21 diversity initiatives that Progress Energy has shown 22 us, as well as their relationships with the community.
23 And so it is with great pleasure that I lend our 24 support, and the NAACP, and to the Harris plant, but 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 in short, we have the confidence that will tend to the 1
growth, and everything else, as they always have, and 2
will continue to do.
3 Thank you so much for this opportunity, 4
and have a great rest of the meeting. I do have to 5
leave, but it is no disrespect to your work. Thank 6
you. Say bye.
7 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Ms. Dean.
8 Ann Turnbill.
9 MS. TURNBILL: Good evening. I'm Ann 10 Turnbill, and I'm a resident of Wake County, and have 11 been, since 1985. I'm a mother of a fabulous six year 12 old, and a customer of Progress Energy.
13 Whether we realize it or not, Progress 14 Energy touches all of our lives. Not just when we 15 flip on the light switch, or drive down the street at 16 night, but they are a member of our community, and an 17 excellent corporate citizen.
18 If you are not aware, Progress Energy 19 supports this community in many, many ways. And I 20 know this because I do some volunteer work with my 21 PTA, through my son's school, and through other 22 educational programs and organizations.
23 They are a generous supporter of public 24 education, and they demonstrate a
- true, true 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 commitment to the high quality that we experience here 1
in Wake County.
2 And we are just very fortunate that we 3
live in Wake County, in experiencing the growth, and 4
the prosperity here. And having said that, I would 5
like to tell you that I hope that you grant the 6
renewal for the license for the Shearon Harris nuclear 7
plant so we can continue to grow and prosper in Wake 8
County. Thank you.
9 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Ms.
10 Turnbill. I have a Mr. Lee Craig, from North Carolina 11 State University.
12 MR. CRAIG: My name is Lee Craig, and I'm 13 a professor of economics at North Carolina State 14 University. You know, when they send a professor of 15 economics to the podium, the excitement level is going 16 to drop from the earlier presentations.
17 I can speak until heads start hitting the 18 table, but I've already done that twice today, so I 19 will be brief this evening.
20 I'm here representing my colleague, Dr.
21 Edward Erickson, who in 2005 conducted an economic 22 impact study of Progress Energy's Shearon Harris 23 nuclear plant.
24 Unfortunately Dr. Erickson is out of the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 country and cannot speak this evening. As I just 1
mentioned, my report tonight summarizes an economic 2
impact study.
3 There are two ways in which one can 4
interpret an economic impact study of this type. One 5
way is to interpret it in a way that would let us view 6
and answer the following question.
7 Holding all other economic variables 8
constant, what does the plant in question contribute 9
to the local economy? Another way to interpret a 10 study like this would be to see it as an answer to a 11 slightly different, but related, question.
12 Which is, if this plant had never been 13 constructed, or if it were to be closed, or otherwise 14 go missing, then how would that impact the local 15 economy?
16 Although the impact estimates are the 17 same, in either case, I find that thinking about, and 18 discussing the issue in both ways, helps to better 19 understand exactly what the impact figures are telling 20 us.
21 The economic impact report that I'm 22 summarizing contains at least five key economic 23 indicators. These are: One, the value of economic 24 output; two, employment; three, personal income, which 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 is to say primarily wages and salaries; four, all 1
other income; and five, tax revenues.
2 As of calendar year 2005 Dr. Erickson 3
estimates that the Shearon Harris plant generates the 4
following economic impacts for these five categories.
5 The plant generates roughly 700 million 6
dollars in economic output. The plant supports more 7
than 2,100 jobs in the Triangle region. The plant 8
generates 86 million dollars in personal income, and 9
nearly 40 million dollars in other income.
10 And the report estimates that the plant 11 generates roughly ten million dollars in indirect 12 business taxes, which in North Carolina are largely 13 sale taxes, and 20 million dollars in property taxes.
14 In concluding this summary I offer one 15 additional and final impact, which was estimated in 16 the report. At current property tax rates, in the 17 Triangle Region, the property value required to 18 generate 20 million dollars in property taxes is 19 approximately 2.8 billion dollars, which is greater 20 than one percent of the value of the assessed property 21 in the Triangle, at the time of the study.
22 Thank you.
23 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, 24 Professor. Herman Jaffe, you want to go later? Okay, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 we can do that. Lou Ebert.
1 MR. EBERT: Good evening, and thank you.
2 My name is Lou Ebert, I'm the president of the North 3
Carolina State Chamber of Commerce.
4 I'm pleased to stand here tonight in 5
support of Progress Energy's application for 6
reauthorizing the Shearon Harris plant.
7 The State Chamber, the North Carolina 8
Chamber, and its 25,000 members across the state, 9
support a growing and competitive economy, which 10 creates opportunities for all North Carolina citizens.
11 As the fourth fastest growing state in 12 America, and the tenth largest state in the country, 13 business needs reliable, affordable, and clean energy, 14 to compete, to create jobs, and drive the continued 15 economic growth of our state.
16 There are many reasons that make our state 17 the envy of most in the country. Maintaining and 18 improving our competitive position, as a state, is the 19 primary mission of the North Carolina Chamber.
20 And the competition to grow jobs, and 21 expand, costs matter. Energy drives North Carolina 22
- business, it drives our
- economy, and creates 23 opportunities for all of us.
24 In our quest to make North Carolina a 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 leader among states, and a competitor among nations, 1
I'm pleased to stand here tonight in support of 2
reauthorizing this plant well into the future. Thank 3
you.
4 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
5 Ebert. I'd like to thank all the commenters so far 6
for, you know, keeping your comments concise and 7
making sure that we have time to get to the stack that 8
I have.
9 Next I have John Rukavina, the director of 10 public safety for Wake County.
11 MR. RUKAVINA: Thank you, and good 12 evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'm John Rukavina, I'm 13 director of public safety for Wake County, and I'm 14 here to tell you, a little bit, about the relationship 15 between CP&L and Progress Energy, and Wake County 16 public safety since the establishment of the Shearon 17 Harris plant.
18 Wake County is responsible for emergency 19 and crisis response planning, in the county, including 20 the planning and exercise functions required by the 21 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and by FEMA, in 22 connection with the operation of the Shearon Harris 23 plant.
24 Progress Energy
- has, and currently 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 provides, contractual financial support to Wake County 1
for the conduct of those activities, including support 2
of an emergency planner, who is dedicated to 3
maintaining the emergency plans in connection with 4
Shearon Harris response, and in working with units of 5
local government, and other interested agencies, in 6
maintaining their readiness.
7 As a result of that collaborative effort 8
we have, and by we I mean both Wake County and 9
Progress Energy, have consistently met NRC and FEMA 10 standards for emergency or crisis response in the case 11 of Shearon Harris operation.
12 That has not been the result of any actual 13 emergency, but as a result of semiannual evaluation of 14 full scale exercises of both the Wake County emergency 15 operations center, and field activities in connection 16 with exercising the Shearon Harris emergency response 17 plan.
18 In those years when we don't do a full 19 scale activity we also conduct an exercise that is 20 limited to operation from our emergency operation 21 center.
22 So every year in April and, in fact, our 23 most recent exercise was within the past two weeks, we 24 exercise our plan and make sure that our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 communications equipment, and our means of operating 1
with other community agencies meet the requirements of 2
those plans.
3 And, again, every other year, when we do 4
the larger scale test, we work closely with our 5
neighboring counties in making sure, again, that we 6
exercise our plans, and that any issues or improvement 7
opportunities that are brought to our attention are 8
taken care of.
9 We expect that that relationship will 10 continue, and we look forward to working with Progress 11 Energy in maintaining those emergency response plans, 12 and exercising them so that if something were to occur 13 we would be ready to respond appropriately in the 14 interest of the community. Thank you.
15 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
16 Marvin Furman.
17 MR. FURMAN: My name is Marvin Furman, I'm 18 a new resident of Wake County, and I'm sorry to say, 19 when I moved down here I didn't know there was a 20 nuclear power plant 20 miles from where I live, which 21 I'm very disappointed in.
22 And to tell you the truth I feel like 23 General Custer at Little Big Horn, right now. I'm 24 supposed to get a laugh on that one.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Anyway, I want to talk about the safety 1
issue. And I'm not talking about nuclear meltdowns, 2
and we can forget about the adverse environmental 3
factors, and we also can forget about the terrorist 4
factor here.
5 What I'm talking about is that if you have 6
parents who live in this area, and you have children, 7
your children are in danger of getting leukemia. There 8
is a better chance they will get leukemia because 9
there is a nuclear power plant here.
10 And I have pulled evidence off the 11 internet to show this here, and I will just point out 12 that there is so much evidence on this here, and I'm 13 only going to point out two things to you.
14 First I'm going to tell you that Canada, 15 France, Germany, and the Soviet Union, there were high 16 incidence of leukemia in the proximity of nuclear 17 power plant among children.
18 And another example of evidence that I'm 19 going to give you, is that SEER, that is surveillance 20 and epidemiology and end result program, of the United 21 States Center for Disease Control and Prevention, came 22 out with figures that from 1975, to 2000, cancer rates 23 in children, near nuclear power plants, went up 40 24 percent.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 If you are a parent, but more important 1
Mayor are you here? Do you have grandchildren? Are 2
you concerned about your grandchildren? Okay, think 3
about that, look it up. Those children are in danger, 4
I'm telling you. Wake up.
5 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
6 Next up I have Sandy Jordan, from the Cary Chamber of 7
Commerce.
8 MR. JORDAN: Thank you. My name is Sandy 9
Jordan, I'm vice president of economic development for 10 the Cary Chamber of Commerce.
11 Cary, and many of the other communities, 12 that are here in the Triangle, have long been 13 recognized as some of the most desirable places in 14 which to live, and work, in our nation.
15 We have experienced quality sustainable 16 growth that is the envy of many other communities.
17 The local investment by companies, that are moving 18 here, and the jobs that they are creating for our 19 growing population, have done much to enhance the 20 quality of life that all of us appreciate and enjoy.
21 Key to that past growth, and to its 22 sustainability, as we move forward, has been, and will 23 continue to be, an adequate supply of quality power.
24 The ability to meet our electrical demands is 25
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1 If we cannot say, with certainty, that an 2
adequate supply of electrical power is available, we 3
will no longer be able to attract these investments, 4
and new jobs to our area.
5 For 20 years the Shearon Harris nuclear 6
plant has helped provide the region with reliable 7
electrical energy. It is a facility that has operated 8
safely, and efficiently, during those 20 years, and is 9
extremely important, as our region looks to its future 10 prosperity.
11 Accordingly I would ask the Commission to 12 positively act on the license renewal request 13 requested by Progress Energy. Thank you.
14 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
15 Next up Mr. Bernie Hodges.
16 MR. HODGES: Good evening. Thank you to 17 the nuclear regulators who are here, that are giving 18 me a chance to make a few comments tonight.
19 My name is Bernie Hodges, I'm a long time 20 residential and large industrial customer of Progress 21 Energy. I'm president of a textile company in North 22 Carolina, Wade Manufacturing Company.
23 We operate in Anson and Richmond Counties.
24 My company is being asked to compete in a large 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 international market and environment. The game has 1
changed rapidly in the last few years. The cost of 2
electricity is one of the few areas we have an 3
advantage over foreign competition.
4 Electricity is
- cheaper, and more 5
dependable, in the United States than in overseas 6
locations. We certainly want to retain that cost 7
advantage.
8 Our plants are in rural North Carolina, 9
all manufacturing jobs are meaningful in those areas.
10 For an electrical utility nuclear power is the lowest 11 cost source of generating electricity on a large 12 scale.
13 I wish Progress Energy had more nuclear 14 generated electricity. Without the cost of nuclear 15 generated electricity averaged into the overall cost 16 of all electricity generated by Progress Energy, the 17 cost would force some industrial manufacturing 18 companies to shut their doors, or relocate to areas 19 with competitive electricity costs.
20 In addition, it is my belief that there is 21 less environmental pollution from nuclear generation 22 than a coal fired, or natural gas fired electricity 23 generation source.
24 There are no air pollutants being emitted.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 In an age where global warming appears a real issue, 1
certainly nuclear power is the correct means of 2
electricity generation for the future.
3 I am not aware of any environmental or 4
safety issues caused by the Shearon Harris plant. I 5
believe the past record, and rules and regulations 6
that the plant operates under, are evidence of a well 7
run and properly regulated facility.
8 I simply believe the word nuclear has bad 9
connotations. I wish we could change the word. I 10 certainly believe the majority of homeowners and 11 industrial customers want the lowest rate for 12 electricity.
13 I
further believe that all North 14 Carolinians want to do our best to save manufacturing 15 jobs in our state. For these reasons I support and 16 strongly encourage the office of Nuclear Reactor 17 Regulation, to fully investigate and extend the 18 requested operating license for the Shearon Harris 19 plant. Thank you.
20 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
21 Hodges. Hilda Pinnix-Ragland.
22 MS. PINNIX-RAGLAND: Thank you, and thanks 23 for allowing all of us an opportunity to speak on 24 behalf of the Shearon Harris plant, those that are for 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 it, and those that are against it.
1 Naturally I'm for it. I'm the vice 2
president of the northern region for Progress Energy, 3
and it covers 16 counties, and central and northern 4
North Carolina, covering about 500,000 customers.
5 Once the Shearon Harris plant generates 6
electricity, I have the opportunity of overseeing the 7
part of the company that transmits that electricity, 8
or distributes that electricity to our commercial, our 9
industrial, and our residential customers.
10 And we always want to make sure that we 11 have abundant supply of electricity that will serve 12 our homes and our businesses. We need a reliable 24/7 13 flow of power to meet the energy needs for everyone, 14 and especially for the hospitals, for the fire and 15 police departments.
16
- And, of
- course, for our wonderful 17 industrial customers who can often only, actually, 18 cannot take a flicker of a light. They need 19 continuous power.
20 The Harris plant is an important, no, it 21 is an essential part of our balanced solution to 22 meeting those customer needs. We are applying to 23 renew the Harris plant's operating license, because it 24 is our responsibility to meet the needs of our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 customers today, as well as meet the needs of our 1
customers tomorrow.
2 And we have an obligation, from the North 3
Carolina Utilities Commission, to meet that need in 4
the most cost-effective, environmentally responsible 5
way.
6 And we believe that the Harris plant is 7
the lowest cost option, it produces no greenhouse 8
gases that contribute to global climate change. And, 9
of course, we are not just mindful of producing the 10 power, and meeting the needs of our customers.
11 We are also very mindful of our community.
12 In fact we started the Energy Neighbor Fund, 13 contributing more than 16 million dollars since 1982 14 to help those customers who can't afford to pay their 15 electric bills.
16 And just in 2002 we contributed over 12 17 million dollars to support education, to promote 18 economic development, and to protect our environment.
19 We have over 10,000 employees who are in and out of 20 these communities every day.
21 We also contributed from a tax revenue.
22 When you think about it, in 2006, over 15 million 23 dollars was given for this greater Wake County 24 community, for tax revenues.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Seven point four million was directly 1
linked to the Harris plant. So, yes, we are part of 2
the community, we have been here for a long time.
3 I do thank you for this opportunity, and 4
I do want to let everyone know that we received 13 5
favorable resolutions from our organizations, those 6
are the chambers, the Urban League, and many others 7
throughout our community. Thanks again.
8 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Ms.
9 Ragland. Mr. Jaffe, are you ready to speak now? All 10 right, we will keep moving you down.
11 Elizabeth
- Rooks, from the Research 12 Triangle Foundation.
13 MS. ROOKS: Good evening. My name is 14 Elizabeth Rooks, I'm executive vice president for the 15 Research Triangle Foundation.
16 The Research Triangle Foundation is the 17 developer of the Research Triangle Park, a 7,000 acre 18 science park, which houses 157 companies, and over 20 19 million square feet of buildings, and employs more 20 than 39,000 people.
21 RTF has been a major economic engine for 22 the Triangle area, and for North Carolina as a whole.
23 Provision of adequate, clean, cost-effective, reliable 24 electricity is crucial to the maintenance, and future 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 expansion, of companies in RTP.
1 For these reasons we support the license 2
renewal of the Harris plant. Thank you.
3 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Ms.
4 Rooks. William D. Lynch, from the People's Channel.
5 MR. LYNCH: Hi, I'm actually videotaping 6
this for the People's Channel but, right now, I'm not 7
representing the People's Channel.
8 Why are you all here? Are your heads 9
tired, a lot of science, politics, economics? It may 10 be because I'm a new resident to Chatham County, who 11 is anti-nuclear, but is also curious about the whole 12 issue, which isn't just are you against or for the 13 plant, the renewal, another plant.
14 Are you scared of the plant, are you 15 wanting the plant? Or maybe because this opportunity 16 to come to a meeting, to speak with the NRC, to speak 17 with and listen to other community members who are 18 very well versed in what their agenda is, to present 19 to the public.
20 What I
have seen of the public's 21 discussion of the issue is impassioned, desperate 22 perhaps, fearful, and unfortunately not as informed as 23 we could be.
24 I like to put the onus, the responsibility 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 on the public, on us, to figure an issue. I worked 1
for ABC News for many years. That doesn't mean a 2
thing. I have the benefit of their library, and when 3
Three Mile Island happened, and when the arms build-up 4
in the '80s happened, I got involved in the anti-5 nuclear movement, and the anti-weapons movement.
6 But I realized, when somebody said to me, 7
on the street, handing out a leaflet, you don't know 8
what you are talking about. All the literature out 9
there is a lot to read, isn't it?
10 But to study the beast, or the benefit, is 11 something we must do, right? That is why we are here.
12 It is really serious. People joke. Like I was 13 talking with one of the engineers from the NRC about 14 the Simpsons being something that jokes about glowing 15 reactors, and all this.
16 This is true. Why is this? Because are 17 we scared of our ignorance of the issue, are we scared 18 of the potential? When I drive across 64, and I see 19 the cooling tower steaming away, and think of all the 20 people boating, and having fun in the lake, and just 21 the risk that exists, that is a gut fear.
22 Apex had the chemical fire, Three Mile 23 Island had their thing, Love Canal had their thing, 24 Virginia Tech had their thing. The unexpected can 25
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1 And that is why I'm actually more in the 2
side of the military running plants than commercial 3
ventures, because of the risk of profit overriding 4
safety.
5 But thank God the NRC is there, and that 6
there are people who oversight, and that there is 7
oversight, and there is review. But as we know, from 8
Katrina, as we know from so many things, it is not 9
enough.
10 The responsibility is on us. As Progress 11 Energy rate payers, as future rate payers if there is 12 a new plant, as parents, citizens, Americans, 13 taxpayers.
14 I registered as a republican today, just 15 so that I can come and say, I'm a republican for 16 viewing the nuclear plant. My wife will kill me, I 17 don't care, it is just kind of a joke to me, democrat, 18 independent, republican, it doesn't matter.
19 A suit, regular clothes, we are all in the 20 same boat. So I don't have anything, really, to say, 21 other than start reading, start talking to your 22 friends and neighbors, start thinking non-partisan, 23 about this issue.
24 Because it is that important. The fire 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 safety issues, the bizarre potential of an evacuation 1
being jammed up, and any kind of a reaction to get 2
away from an accident to me is crazy.
3 But I have a lot more to learn about it.
4 It is easy to say stuff. People talk a lot, there is 5
not much real dialogue. American Idol is what people 6
watch, isn't it? But do they watch the news, do they 7
stay with an issue?
8 I hope that everybody leaves here, 9
tonight, with a different perspective. It is not 10 about who is sitting here, or sitting there, or 11 talking. It is what do we do at this point in our 12 history about our energy use, and the safe development 13 of it.
14 Because this place is developing, North 15 Carolina, the country, at an incredible rate. And is 16 nuclear going to be one of the answers? Thank you.
17 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
18 Lynch. Ed Bonner, from Caldwell Banker.
19 MR. BONNER: Hello. My name is Ed Bonner, 20 and I'm a member of the Board of Directors of the 21 Raleigh Chamber of Commerce.
22 And I would like to respectfully submit, 23 for the record, a resolution passed unanimously, by 24 the general membership of the Raleigh Chamber, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 supporting the extension of Progress Energy's license 1
to operate the Shearon Harris nuclear plant.
2 Without reading the entire resolution we 3
support the license extension based on renewing the 4
Harris plant's license will ensure Progress Energy can 5
continue to meet the growing Triangle area's need for 6
electricity in a safe, efficient, and affordable 7
manner.
8 The Harris plant provides electricity to 9
more than 55,000 residents, and businesses, in the 10 Triangle. The Harris plant has been operating for 18 11 years and, over that time, has consistently been 12 ranked, by its peers, as among the top nuclear plants 13 in the country, in terms of safety, production, and 14 cost.
15 Progress Energy has a 35 year track record 16 of operating nuclear plants safely, and securely. The 17 Harris plant continuously updates equipment, and 18 undergoes constant oversight and scrutiny by the 19 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
20 And, finally, Progress Energy's commitment 21 to our community. The membership of our chamber 22 recognizes that extending the operating license of the 23 Harris plant is an important part of meeting our 24 community's growing electricity needs, and asks this 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Commission to extend the license of the Shearon Harris 1
nuclear plant. Thank you very much for your time.
2 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
3 Bonner. Scott Lasell, from the American Nuclear 4
Society.
5 MR. LASELL: Good evening. My name is 6
Scott Lasell, and I'd like to thank you for having the 7
opportunity to speak this evening.
8 I'm the Chairman of the Eastern Carolina 9
Section of the American Nuclear Society. And I have 10 been employed as a staff member in the Department of 11 Nuclear Engineering at NC State, since 2000, and I 12 have been in the nuclear field since 1994.
13 I entered my profession because I believe 14 that nuclear technology provides many benefits to our 15 society, and improves our quality of life. I also 16 believe, from many years of interactions with nuclear 17 professionals, from Progress Energy and the NRC, that 18 nuclear technology is being used safely for the 19 generation of power here in North Carolina.
20 I would, therefore, like to go on record 21 as supporting the relicensing of the Shearon Harris 22 plant, by the NRC, because I believe that nuclear 23 energy is a reliable and environmentally sound, and 24 above all else, a safe form of power generation.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 In my 12 years of experience, working at 1
three different nuclear research reactor facilities, 2
I have been continually impressed with the dedication 3
and commitment of the nuclear professionals with whom 4
I have come in contact.
5 This includes the scientists and staff 6
responsible for the operation and utilization of the 7
facilities, and the NRC inspectors, and examiners, 8
that regularly visit the facility, to assure the safe 9
operation, and regulatory compliance.
10 In the past three years I have had the 11 opportunity to become involved with the local section 12 of the American Nuclear Society. In the numerous 13 society functions and meetings I have attended, I have 14 interacted extensively with personnel from Progress 15 Energy, both from the corporate offices, and the 16 Harris plant.
17 Without exception I have found these 18 professional men and women to be of the highest 19 caliber, possessing a good questioning attitude, and 20 ensuring understanding of the technical concepts 21 presented at section meetings.
22 Their strong commitment to their 23 profession, and to excellence and safety in nuclear 24 plant operations, is evident.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 So, to summarize, my professional 1
experience has given me an appreciation of the clear 2
benefits of nuclear technology. And, as importantly, 3
trust and respect for the people that are responsible 4
for ensuring its safe deployment and utilization here 5
in North Carolina.
6 In closing I simply ask the NRC to 7
carefully and thoughtfully execute your 8
responsibilities as related to the renewal of the 9
Harris plant license, and support the ongoing 10 generation of electricity with nuclear power. Thank 11 you.
12 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
13 Lasell. Tony Gurley, from the Wake County government.
14 MR. GURLEY: Good evening. I'm Tony 15 Gurley, currently serving as Chairman of the Wake 16 County Board of Commissioners.
17 You heard, earlier, from John Rukavina, 18 our public safety director. I would like to express 19 my personal support for the license renewal for 20 Progress Energy's Shearon Harris facility.
21 My responsibility as a county commissioner 22 is to prepare for the growth in our county, while 23 improving the quality of life for all citizens. I 24 have found Progress Energy to be a willing and capable 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 partner in my efforts, over the past five years.
1 Progress Energy, through its capable 2
employees, have contributed in a very positive manner, 3
as a responsible corporate citizen. Most importantly 4
the services and the energy produced by Progress 5
Energy are needed and are essential to the continued 6
growth of this area.
7 I'm proud to offer my support and gladly 8
offer my thanks for the many contributions from 9
Progress Energy to the citizens of Wake County. Thank 10 you.
11 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Mr.
12 Gurley. I have one person who said that she may or 13 may not want to speak. Donna Alexander, yeah or nay?
14 All right, it looks like it is a yeah.
15 MS. ALEXANDER: Good evening. My name is 16 Donna Alexander, and I'm a Progress Energy employee.
17 I have been with the company for 25 years. It has 18 been a very long and rewarding career.
19 And I'm a native of the area. I have 20 worked in many different facets, from engineering to 21 quality assurance, regulation affairs, licensing ops, 22 and I'm now responsible for the environmental and 23 chemistry area.
24 I am -- I can personally attest to the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 company's commitment to the environmental protection, 1
both from a
radiological and non-radiological 2
programs.
3 I am proud to work with a dedicated team 4
of individuals at the plant. Many long time employees 5
that provide the essential energy for the area. And 6
I can say that decisions made at the plant safety is 7
considered first and foremost in all decisions that 8
are made, both personal safety and nuclear safety.
9 And I'm excited to be a part of the 10 extended operating license for the Harris plant.
11 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, Ms.
12 Alexander. Mr. Jaffe, that was the last card I had 13 except for yours.
14 MR. JAFFE: I appreciate that. Herman 15 Jaffe, Apex, North Carolina. I made a few comments 16 earlier this afternoon. I would like to enlarge on 17 them a little bit, since I learned, by coming here 18 this afternoon, that Shearon Harris and the News 19 Observer article I was going by, that limited the 20 items open for discussion, NRC is open to some 21 environmental input.
22 The newspaper article stated that Shearon 23 Harris supplies 12 percent of Progress Energy's 24 capacity now. That is a small amount when I look at 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the study done for the North Carolina State Utility 1
Commission, as directed by the State.
2 The study states that we can get ten 3
percent of our electric needs from solar and wind if 4
we develop them. The associate, Mr. Jonathan Winter, 5
also agreed with me that the new environmentally sound 6
compact fluorescent light bulbs, now on the market, 7
will reduce demand by at least 25 percent over the 8
next few years.
9 Progress, two years ago, reported capacity 10 on hand to us through 2016, with no increase in 11 capacity needed. Now you take these numbers, and they 12 tell us that we really don't need Shearon Harris, or 13 any other nuclear or coal plants at this time.
14 By 2016 California's public gas and 15 electric, which is one of the largest, if not the 16 largest in the United States, is instituting a 17 program, right now, to boost electric car power for 18 the grid, on demand, and will be in operation within 19 the next four or five years.
20 They are planning on using something like 21 the new Honda electric car that is due for sale to the 22 public in 2009. You can read about this in this 23 article here, in the newspaper, but you folks don't 24 get this kind of newspaper, it is a weekly that goes 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 out world-wide, it is called the Epic Times.
1 That is why this is not the time to 2
consider a license extension, as I said earlier.
3 Progress should be spending time studying places like 4
Wakeland, Florida's utility plant, where they have 5
leasing solar hot water heaters to their rate payers.
6 There are several other reasons, I said, 7
that let's us want to consider not the extension at 8
this time, but to wait ten years. We may be, by that 9
time, considering shutting Shearon Harris down, and 10 that is a fact of life.
11 I know I heard about 11 people praising 12 Progress Energy to the hilt, and I can appreciate why.
13 But, you know, the world changes, things change, and 14 it is time that you guys got out there and looked a 15 little bit beyond your rose colored lenses.
16 I thank you for your consideration and I 17 would like to speak to that gentleman who was so 18 concerned about the children. Thank you.
19 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
20 Thank you for attending both of our meetings. You are 21 one of the few that did.
22 That is the last yellow card that I have.
23 I wanted to open things up for those -- okay, if you 24 want to speak, please come up. If you could introduce 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 yourself and let us know if you are with any sort of 1
group, or affiliation?
2 MS. CLEMENTS: Good evening, and thank you 3
for the opportunity to speak tonight. My name is 4
Jackie Clements, I'm a retired employee of Progress 5
Energy. I retired in 2005, after 32 years of service.
6 And I'm here to personally attest to my 7
complete confidence and trust in the ability of 8
Progress Energy to continue to operate the Shearon 9
Harris plant, which we need, in the most safe, 10 reliable, efficient operation.
11 I have worked with the management teams, 12 and employees of the Shearon Harris plant, during the 13 construction of the plant, as well as after it went 14 into commercial operation.
15 As Ms. Alexander spoke to, I can also 16 attest to being a part of seeing, first-hand the 17 conservative decisionmaking that is used in our 18 nuclear safety programs to ensure the highest degree 19 of safety to employees, the plant, and the public.
20 My husband and I, after having different 21 assignments in other states, moved back to North 22 Carolina, and chose to locate in Apex, North Carolina.
23 I currently volunteer in the emergency department in 24 a local hospital.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 And when nuclear power is brought up I 1
have the opportunity to talk with residents, and I 2
tell them, and I'm genuine in saying this, if there 3
were a natural disaster, the first place I would want 4
to be would be inside the containment building at the 5
Shearon Harris nuclear power plant.
6 I appreciate the opportunity to speak 7
tonight, to you. And, again, I'm in favor the license 8
renewal. We need the plant to meet customer growth.
9 It is clean power.
10 The management team at Progress Energy, as 11 well as the employees, have a culture of acting with 12 integrity, and the commitment to nuclear power is 13 there on a daily basis, 24/7. Thank you very much.
14 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you. Did you 15 want to make a statement?
16 MR. DUNCAN: Good evening, and thank you 17 for the opportunity. My name is Bob Duncan, I'm the 18 site vice president at the Harris plant.
19 On May 2nd of this year the Harris plant 20 will reach a major milestone in its history, 20 years 21 of commercial operation; 20 years of providing power 22 to our customers without incident.
23 In those 20 years of operation the Harris 24 plant has generated over 130 million megawatt hours of 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 power, enough to power over half a million homes for 1
20 years.
2 At Progress Energy we believe a balanced 3
solution is absolutely necessary for future growth.
4 That balanced solution includes demand site 5
management, energy efficiency, renewable energy 6
sources, clean air technology, as well as new baseload 7
nuclear power plants.
8 The Harris plant is essential to meeting 9
the energy needs of our customers. And we meet those 10 energy needs with zero greenhouse gas emissions. We 11 have very real concerns about global warning.
12 It is good for our customers, and good for 13 the environment, to take steps now, to ensure that the 14 Harris plant continues to be that clean air energy 15 source well into the future.
16 Renewing the plant's license will allow us 17 to do exactly that. A recent Bisconti research 18 national survey determined that 85 percent of the 19 public believes that the U.S. should use every low 20 carbon source available to generate electricity, 21 including nuclear power.
22 And I agree with DOE Assistant Secretary, 23 Dennis Bergen, when he stated recently: Any serious 24 efforts to stabilize greenhouse gases in the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 atmosphere, while providing the increasing amounts of 1
energy needed for economic development and growth, 2
requires the expanded use of nuclear energy.
3 That obviously includes the retention of 4
current capability through this license renewal 5
process.
6 I'm
- here, today, representing 650 7
employees who work at the Harris plant, many of whom 8
are at this meeting tonight in support of the plant's 9
license renewal. These are highly skilled, 10 extensively trained professionals, who are dedicated 11 in commitment to their work.
12 Understandably these employees, including 13 me, are held to very high expectations by you, the 14 public. We are responsible for safely operating a 15 nuclear reactor. And that is a huge responsibility.
16 We come to work, every day, with our first 17 priority, not to simply generate electricity, but to 18 generate electricity in a sustainable way, that 19 ensures the health and safety of the public, and the 20 environment.
21 It is my responsibility to ensure that 22 safety for every employee, and every member of the 23 public. Safety has, and always will be, our top 24 priority.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 In 2006 the Harris plant received its 1
third consecutive Institute of Nuclear Power 2
Operations Excellence Award, recognizing it as a top 3
safety performer in the entire U.S. industry.
4 We also have an obligation to produce 5
power in a cost effective manner. The Harris plant 6
helps Progress Energy do that. We consistently rank 7
high in the industry, in this category, and in the 8
year 2002, and 2005, the Harris plant was the lowest 9
cost energy provider in dollars per megawatt 10 generated, of any nuclear plant in the country.
11 We also have a three year capacity factor 12 of well over 93 percent. That means we are on line 13 over 340 days of the year. We are privileged to 14 provide power for the community, and we take that 15 responsibility very seriously.
16 It is important to clarify that if our 17 application is approved, that does not give us carte 18 blanche to operate for an additional 20 years. We 19 have to earn that license every minute of every day, 20 by our performance.
21 We are a good neighbor, and a capable 22 corporate citizen. And we intend to preserve what has 23 been entrusted to us, and that is our commitment to 24 you.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Thank you, again, for this opportunity.
1 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
2 Anyone, additionally, that has not made a comment, 3
like to come up and make a comment?
4 (No response.)
5 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Okay. Seeing no 6
one, I will introduce Rani Franovich, who is the 7
branch chief for environmental review for license 8
renewal at the NRC, for a few wrap-up type items.
9 Rani?
10 MS. FRANOVICH: Thank you, Lance. I just 11 want to take a minute and thank everyone who came and 12 offered their comments to us. This is a very 13 important part of our process, our review process.
14 In the environmental review for license 15 renewal it is very helpful to us to come out to the 16 communities, listen to the people who live here, their 17 concerns, and get information from them on the 18 environmental impacts that we might need to consider.
19 You are the ones who live here, you know 20 your community better than we do, so we appreciate 21 your willingness to come out to our meeting tonight.
22 I wanted to remind everyone that the 23 opportunity for hearing closes on May 19th, if you 24 have any concerns that you want to proffer to the NRC 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 as contentions, please do so by May 19th.
1 And, also, the scoping comments will be 2
received until May 19th, as well. So if you have any 3
comments that you would like to provide, information 4
you would like the NRC to consider in its 5
environmental review, please provide it to us by May 6
19th.
7 Also wanted to indicate that we have 8
public meeting feedback forms. You may have received 9
one when you registered for the meeting out in front.
10 If you have any suggestions for how we can 11 do our meetings different, how we can do them better 12 in the future, any ideas, at all, on how we can 13 improve our public meetings, we would like to hear 14 from you.
15 Please take the time to fill out the form.
16 You may leave it with a member of the NRC staff, or 17 you can take it home, fill it out later, and put it in 18 the mail. I think postage is prepaid.
19 The NRC staff, members of the staff, will 20 be around for a few minutes after the meeting, if 21 anyone would like to come and talk with us about 22 questions you may have, we will certainly be around.
23 I would like to ask the NRC staff to 24 please stand so members of the public can see who you 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 are. These are the folks who are available to talk 1
with you, if you would like to spend a few minutes 2
with us after the meeting, we would be delighted.
3 And, with that, thank you again for 4
coming.
5 (Whereupon, at 8:22 p.m., the above-6 entitled matter was concluded.)
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