ML021160265
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| Site: | Saint Lucie  |
| Issue date: | 04/03/2002 |
| From: | Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Environmental Review for License Renewal at St. Lucie, Units 1 & 2 Public Meeting: Evening Session Docket Number:
(not applicable)
Location:
Port St. Lucie, Florida Date:
Wednesday, April 3, 2002 Work Order No.:
NRC-311 Pages 1-64 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS THE ENVIRONMENTAL 4
REVIEW FOR LICENSE RENEWAL 5
AT ST. LUCIE, UNITS 1 AND 2 6
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7 WEDNESDAY, APRIL 3, 2002 8
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9 Council Chambers 10 Port St. Lucie City Hall 11 Port St. Lucie, Florida 12 13 The Public Meeting commenced at 7:00 p.m.
14 NRC STAFF PRESENTERS:
15 CHIP CAMERON 16 NOEL DUDLEY 17 MICHAEL MASNIK 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 A-G-E-N-D-A 1
Introductory remarks - Chip Cameron...............3 2
NRC presentation by Noel Dudley...................8 3
NRC presentation by Michael Masnik...............15 4
FP&L presentation by Don Jernigan.................24 5
FP&L presentation by Tom Abbatiello...............28 6
Preparation of prepared public comments 7
and statements...............................32 8
Concluding Remarks................................48 9
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 1
(7:00 p.m.)
2 MR. CAMERON: Good evening everybody.
3 Id like to welcome you to tonights 4
public meeting. My name is Chip Cameron. Im the 5
special counsel for public liaison within the Office 6
of General Counsel at the Nuclear Regulatory 7
Commission and Im going to serve as your facilitator 8
tonight.
9 Now tonights meeting is on the subject of 10 the preparation of an Environmental Impact Statement 11 by the NRC, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, on the 12 request by Florida Power and Light to renew the 13 licenses for the St. Lucie operating units. And what 14 Id like to do is just go over three things briefly 15 with you about tonights meeting before we get to the 16 substance of our discussions tonight.
17 And Id like to talk about objectives for 18 the meeting tonight. Secondly talk about the format 19 and ground rules, and third, to give you a little 20 overview of the agenda for tonights meeting so that 21 you know what to expect.
22 In terms of objectives tonight, we want to 23 make sure that you understand what the NRCs license 24 renewal process is and how you can participate in that 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 process, not only tonight, but over the course of the 1
NRCs review of the Florida Power and Light license 2
renewal application.
3 And an important part of the NRCs review 4
process on the license renewal application is the 5
environmental review and tonights meeting is called 6
a scoping meeting, which is a term thats used in 7
connection with the preparation of an Environmental 8
Impact Statement by a federal agency under the 9
National Environmental Policy Act.
And the 10 Environmental Impact Statement helps guide the NRCs 11 decision-making on whether to grant a renewal of the 12 license for the St. Lucie Plants.
13 Scoping is very simply an advance 14 preparation by the NRC to find out what types of 15 information we should look at in preparing that 16 Environmental Impact Statement, what types of impacts 17 we should consider, what types of alternatives.
18 And this leads me to the second objective 19 for tonights meeting, which is to hear from you 20 members of the public on environmental issues and 21 environmental concerns, and thats why were here 22 tonight to talk to you.
23 We are also taking written comments on 24 these issues and the NRC staff will be talking to you 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 in a little bit about how you submit written comments.
1 But we did want to be here personally to meet you and 2
to explain more about what our responsibilities are.
3 And as youre listening to people tonight, 4
either from the NRC or other people in the audience, 5
it may give you some information to assist you in 6
preparing any written comments that you might want to 7
submit. But let me emphasize that anything that you 8
say tonight is on the record and will be treated with, 9
the same way as any written comments that are 10 submitted.
11 In terms of the format for the meeting and 12 the agenda also, they follow the two objectives of the 13 meeting, to provide information to you and for the NRC 14 to be able to listen to your comments.
15 Theres really two segments to the 16 meeting. The first segment is comprised of two brief 17 NRC presentations to give you some background on the 18 license renewal process.
19 The first presentation is going to be an 20 overall presentation on the license renewal process 21 and then well go to you for questions and answers 22 about that process. And then were going to get a 23 little bit more detailed in the second presentation 24 and focus on what the environmental review process is, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and then go to you again for a question and answer.
1 Noel Dudley, who is right here, is going 2
to give the first presentation on the overall license 3
renewal process. And Michael Masnik, who is right 4
over here, is going to give the second presentation.
5 And Id like to give you some background 6
on both Noel and Mike.
7 Noel is the license renewal project 8
manager for St. Lucie for this particular license 9
renewal and hes worked with the NRC for approximately 10 18 years, including being a senior staff engineer for 11 the advisory committee on reactor safeguards, thats 12 an advisory committee of experts that advises the 13 Commission on license applications of this type and 14 other activities.
15 Hes also been a resident inspector at the 16 Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant and also a certified 17 licensed operator licensing examiner. And the 18 operators are the ones who operate the nuclear power 19 plants.
20 Prior to joining the NRC, Noel was a 21 certified shift supervisor at the Loss of Fluid Test 22 Facility, known as LOFTF, which in Idaho and he was 23 officer in the Nuclear Navy, and he spent two years in 24 the Peace Corps in Kenya, teaching physics and 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 science.
1 His graduate work is from Idaho State 2
University and Villanova, and he has a Bachelors in 3
Engineering and Physics from Villanova.
4 Mikes background, hes the environmental 5
project manager. And youre going to see in their 6
presentations now the safety -- the evaluation of the 7
safety issues comes together with the evaluation of 8
the environmental issues. And the NRC considers both 9
of those as well as special inspection findings in 10 making its decision on license renewal.
11 Mike is the environmental project manager 12 for St. Lucie. He has been with the NRC for about 25 13 years and he has a Bachelors from Cornell University 14 in Zoology and a Masters and PhD. from Virginia 15 Polytechnic Institute in Ichthyology.
16 And he was part of the original 17 environmental review team on the original licensing 18 decision on the St. Lucie Plant.
19 Hes been involved in various activities 20 and responsibilities at the Commission including 21 decommissioning and the oversight of the cleanup at 22 the Three Mile Island Plant.
23 And we do have, in addition to Noel and 24 Mike, we have people here from other offices at the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 NRC. And from our regional offices. We also have a 1
group of expert scientists with us, who are helping to 2
prepare the Environmental Impact Statement. And I 3
would just encourage all of you to meet them and talk 4
to them after the meeting.
5 The second segment of the meeting is going 6
to be our opportunity to listen to your comments 7
tonight. And we have several people who are signed up 8
to speak.
9 If you are listening to things tonight and 10 you decide that youd like to speak, thats fine. You 11 didnt need to sign up in advance, but we thank you 12 for doing so, because it gives us an idea of how many 13 people to expect.
14 And in terms of ground rules for tonights 15 meeting --
16 VIDEO PERSON: Youre fading in and out.
17 MR. CAMERON: Okay.
18 (Audio problems with the microphone 19 connection.)
20 MR. CAMERON: We want to make sure that 21 everybody has the opportunity to talk tonight. And 22 that means that we have to encourage you to try to be 23 as concise as possible in your remarks. And as a 24 general guideline, I would ask you to keep your 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 remarks to approximately five minutes. Thank-you.
1 And we have some flexibility there, but not a whole 2
lot, so try to keep it to five minutes.
3 Secondly, I would ask you to only speak, 4
one person at a time speaking, so that we can give 5
them our full attention. And we are keeping a 6
transcript tonight that will be available to anybody 7
who wants it and it will help us to keep track of what 8
the comments are. So one person at a time will allow 9
us to have a clean transcript tonight.
10 Okay. The focus tonight is environmental 11 information. Its the environmental review. We know 12 there are other concerns. Perhaps the safety issues 13 that Noel Dudley is going to be talking about. We 14 want to hear those, if you have some concerns about 15 those. And those safety issues will be referred to 16 the people who are doing the safety evaluation.
17 If there are other concerns that dont fit 18 within the license renewal context, we will make sure 19 that they get back to the people at the NRC who are 20 responsible for dealing with those particular issues.
21 An important point to emphasize is that no 22 decisions have been made on any of these issues at 23 this point. Nothing has been foreclosed and we want 24 to hear from you tonight, written comments. We have 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 our review to do before there will be any decisions, 1
preliminary -- even preliminary decisions made.
2 So I thank you for being here. And I do 3
want to, before I turn the meeting over to Noel, is to 4
thank the City of Port St. Lucie for letting us use 5
these wonderful facilities tonight and also thanks to 6
the audio-visual staff for helping us out.
7 And with that, Id like to turn it over to 8
Noel Dudley, to give us an overview on the license 9
renewal process.
10 Noel?
11 MR. DUDLEY: Thank-you, Chip.
12 As Chip mentioned, I am Noel Dudley, the 13 project manager for the safety review of St. Lucie 14 Nuclear Plant, Units 1 and 2, license renewal 15 application.
16 As you may know, the Florida Power and 17 Light Company submitted their license renewal 18 applications on November 30th, 2001. The operating 19 licenses for St. Lucie Units 1 and 2 currently expire 20 in 2016 and 2023, respectively.
21 The license renewal process that I will 22 overview for you today, confirms that the licensing 23 basis at the time of original plant construction, as 24 revised over the years, will continue to be valid for 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the period of extended operation.
1 The Atomic Energy Act provides that the 2
Nuclear Regulatory Commission is responsible for 3
public health and
- safety, protection of the 4
environment and the common defense and security. It 5
also provides that each power reactor would have a 6
forty year license term. But the Atomic Energy Act 7
went on to say that those licenses could be renewed.
8 The original forty year license term was 9
based primarily on anti-trust and economic factors and 10 not on any technical limitation of the plant design.
11 However, having established a forty year 12 license term, the Commission realized in the early in 13 the early 1980s that it would have to establish a 14 process for making license renewal decisions.
15 Consequently, the Commission developed and approved a 16 new regulation concerning the process for renewing 17 power reactor operating licenses. This regulation is 18 formally referred to as 10 CFR Part 54, "Requirements 19 for Renewal of Operating Licenses for Nuclear Power 20 Plants."
21 There is a companion regulation that 22 provides the scope of the license renewal and it is 23 referred to as -- the scope of environmental review --
24 and is referred to as 10 CFR Part 51, "Environmental 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Protection Regulations for Domestic Licensing and 1
Related Regulatory Functions."
2 Applications for license renewal are 3
submitted years in advance for several reasons. If a 4
utility decides to replace a nuclear power plant, it 5
would take up to ten years to plan and construct new 6
generating capacity to replace that nuclear plant. In 7
addition, plans to replace or recondition major 8
components are early considerations for license 9
renewal.
10 Licensees considering license renewal, 11 evaluation the requirements for additional plant 12 inspections and maintenance practices for the period 13 of extended operation. A licensee then must decide 14 whether to renew a plant license or to begin 15 decommissioning the plant at the end of the present 16 license term.
17 The process that the NRC provides for, as 18 Chip mentioned, essentially runs in two parallel 19 paths. There is a safety review, which is the top 20 path, looks at the scope of license renewal issues 21 associated with aging management programs for passive 22 long-lived system structures and components.
23 Now this is important: The Commission 24 believes that ongoing regulatory -- that the ongoing 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 regulatory process is adequate to monitor the 1
maintenance of active components, the current 2
licensing basis, and the provisions for plants such as 3
emergency planning and security plans. Now what that 4
says, its a -- the items I just mentioned are outside 5
the scope of license renewal.
6 There are many plant processes that 7
provide constant attention to these things. However, 8
those processes do not explicitly look at the plants 9
design capabilities to cope with long-term degradation 10 of equipment due to aging effects.
11 So the license renewal application focuses 12 on those inspection programs and maintenance practices 13 that are used to maintain the margins of safety for 14 safety-related equipment.
15 The application also evaluates non-safety-16 related components and structures that would adversely 17 affect the reliability of the safety-related 18 equipment.
19 Separately, the NRC conducts an 20 environmental review, which is the bottom path on the 21 slide, and Dr. Michael Masnik is going to address that 22 in more detail.
23 The NRC staff prepares a Safety Evaluation 24 Report and an Environmental Impact Statement. These 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 products, taken together with two other products, form 1
the basis for the Commission to renew a license.
2 One of the other products is produced by 3
the Commissions Advisory Committee on Reactor 4
Safeguards. The ACRS is an independent body of 5
experts from the industry, national labs, and 6
academia, who have expertise in a variety of technical 7
areas. The ACRS reviews the technical quality of the 8
license renewal application and the NRC Safety 9
Evaluation Report. It then writes a report to the NRC 10 Chairman, Dr. Meserve.
11 There is also an NRC inspection program 12 that verifies certain key elements of the staffs 13 safety findings. Collectively, the Commissions 14 decision on a license renewal application, will rely 15 on the Safety Evaluation Report, Environmental Impact 16 Statement, and ACRS Report, and the NRC inspection 17 reports.
18 These activities are scheduled over about 19 a 25 month period, assuming there is not a hearing.
20 Had there been a hearing petition, which was submitted 21 and then granted, then the schedule would have been 22 about 30 months to complete the review process.
23 I will be available after the meeting if 24 there are any questions that you have about the aging 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 management program review, the specifics of the safety 1
review process, or the ultimate content of the Safety 2
Evaluation Report.
3 Unless there are any questions you have 4
about the overall process, Ill turn the meeting over 5
to Mike Masnik to go through the environmental review 6
of this license action.
7 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thank-you very much, 8
Noel.
9 (Audio problems with the microphone 10 connection.)
11 MR. CAMERON: Okay, how about now?
12 COURT REPORTER: Yes.
13 MR. CAMERON: All right.
14 Lets see if you have any questions for 15 Noel now on the safety evaluation.
16 Are you picking up anything now?
17 (Audio problems with the microphone 18 connection.)
19 MR. CAMERON: We want to see if theres 20 any questions that people have and were going to go 21 right out there.
22 We really do need another mike, though, to 23 get this on the transcript.
24 Mr. Doyle, why dont you come up here and 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 ask your question, and then well have whoever is 1
going to answer it come on up. So why dont you come 2
up here and do that and well try to get another mike 3
talking stick for you.
4 So just give us your name, okay, and 5
affiliation, if appropriate?
6 MR. DOYLE: My name is Glenon Doyle, and 7
I live right in between the two power plants.
8 And my question for Mr. Noel Dudley --
9 thank-you very much for your presentation tonight --
10 is, if security is outside the scope of license 11 renewal and all that is required for license renewal, 12 perhaps, are the four elements that you mention of a 13 safety report, an EIS, an ACR -- a safety report being 14 the actual components of the nuclear plant and that 15 theyre safe, EIS would be an environment statement --
16 Im not sure what that encompasses, ACRS is from the 17 scientists, and NCR (sic) report is from our nuclear 18 friends.
19 If thats all thats required, what part 20 does security play in the licensing of the plant?
21 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thanks, Mr. Doyle.
22 (Inaudible) Mr. John Tappert is with us, 23 who was going to deal with the security issues.
24 Noel, do you have anything to say about 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 that first before we go on to John?
1 MR. DUDLEY: Ill just give a very broad 2
answer to that -- is that license renewal only looks 3
at those elements of plant aging that are not part of 4
the ongoing licensing basis.
5 Security is an operating plant issue.
6 Its an issue that deals with all nuclear power plants 7
that are licensed today and is dealt with as, for all 8
plants across the country. And it was intended not 9
have generic issues be included in a plants specific 10 review for license renewal.
11 And would John explain what the situation 12 is with the generic?
13 MR. CAMERON: Okay, and John is the 14 section chief for the environmental review of all 15 license renewals and hell give you more background 16 for all of you on the important issue concerning 17 security.
18 John?
19 MR. TAPPERT: Yeah.
20 (Audio problems with the microphone 21 connection.)
22 MR. TAPPERT: We say its out of scope for 23 the license renewal process, because were looking at 24 granting an extension license for twenty years, and we 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 deal with security in the current operating basis of 1
the plant. Not to say that its not important or that 2
we dont take it very seriously, particularly in the 3
aftermath of the September 11th attacks. The agency 4
has taken a number of actions to upgrade the security 5
of nuclear power plants. Weve manned our operation 6
center. Were in constant communication with the FBI 7
and with the plants. We have issued orders to the 8
other operating reactor plants to upgrade the security 9
programs.
10 The Commission is also undertaking a long 11 term program to analyze all aspects of nuclear reactor 12 safeguards. So when we say its out of scope, its 13 not to say that we dont think its important here and 14 that the agency isnt dealing with it. Its just not 15 part of this particular licensing action.
16 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you, John.
17 Other questions on the license renewal 18 process, generally, before we go to Dr. Michael 19 Masnik.
20 (No response.)
21 MR. CAMERON: Okay. And if something 22 comes up as a result of -- if you think of something 23 you want to ask, were going to have a question and 24 answer after Mikes presentation, so you can ask it 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 then.
1 Mike? This is on the environmental review 2
process for license renewal.
3 DR. MASNIK: Thanks, Chip and Noel.
4 As Chip mentioned, my name is Mike Masnik 5
and Im the environmental project manager responsible 6
for the environmental review for the NRCs license 7
renewal effort for St. Lucie.
8 With me tonight is a
number of 9
environmental experts, both from the NRC and from 10 several national laboratories. We arrived earlier 11 this week and weve been conducting our environmental 12 audit on a number of disciplines, ranging from aquatic 13 ecology, to socioeconomics, to radiation protection.
14 You can tell who we are, were the guys with the 15 jackets, and ties, and the name tags.
16 The National Environmental Policy Act or 17 NEPA, was passed in 1969, and it is one of the most 18 significant pieces of legislation enacted in the 20th 19 Century. For the first time, the federal government 20 was required to consider the impact of its actions on 21 the environment.
22 As you see from this slide, NEPA 23 prescribes a process, requires consideration of 24 impacts and requires the evaluation of alternatives.
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The requirements for NEPA fall on the 2
federal agency thats taking the federal action, and 3
in this case, its the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
4 The NRC has elected to prepare an Environmental Impact 5
Statement or in NEPA jargon, called the EIS, as part 6
of the review extending the operating license for St.
7 Lucie for an additional twenty years.
8 What NEPA does not require is of equal 9
importance. For example, NEPA does not require that 10 the alternative with the smallest impact to be chosen, 11 nor does it require that the federal agency hold 12 adjudicated hearings on the impact of the proposed 13 action.
14 As I just mentioned, our focus here is on 15 the environmental impacts of a twenty year renewal of 16 the St. Lucie operating license, which has been 17 requested by the licensee.
18 We will also consider environmental 19 impacts of alternatives to the proposed action, which 20 may be available, and they would also include what we 21 call the no action alternative. In other words, 22 simply not approving the request for license.
23 What else does NEPA require?
24 NEPA was designed to disclose information.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 The intent is for the federal agency to both inform 1
the public, and to involve and gather information from 2
the public, that might be helpful to us in reaching 3
our decision.
4
- Finally, NEPA requires the federal 5
agencies to be candid in our discussion of impact, 6
consider ways in which the potential impacts might be 7
mitigated.
8 At this point in the review, were in the 9
process of gathering information we need to prepare 10 the Environmental Impact Statement. In the jargon of 11 NEPA, we are performing what we call scoping.
12 A public meeting is part of our scoping 13 process, with the purpose of providing you, the 14 public, and other governmental agencies with an 15 opportunity to participate in the preparation of the 16 Environmental Impact Statement, by sharing with us any 17 information you might believe to have some bearing on 18 our environmental evaluation.
19 In particular, were looking for 20 information that might not be readily available, or 21 concerns that members of the public have, that may not 22 have been addressed by the licensee in their 23 environmental report, which was included as part of 24 their application for license renewal.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 We want to consider any information 1
provided to us, to see if it warrants further 2
evaluation in the development of our draft 3
environmental impact statement.
4 Now what exactly is the NEPA scoping 5
process?
6 As this slide states, its a formal 7
process that defines the proposed action and 8
identifies specific issues that should be analyzed in 9
depth by the staff. Scoping should also identify 10 issues that may have been overlooked, and there is 11 where we need your help.
12 Scoping also helps the staff to eliminate 13 issues that are not relevant to the proposed action.
14 It also identifies other environmental reviews that 15 might involve the proposed action, and as well as 16 local, state, tribal and federal entities, that have 17 a stake in the decision.
18 Now, once we gather our information and we 19 perform our analysis, and we prepare the Environmental 20 Impact Statement, we need to make a decision as to 21 whether or not the NRC should, from an environmental 22 perspective, allow the licensing -- or the 23 re-licensing of the facility.
24 This next slide provides what we call our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 decision standard. It states what were trying 1
decide, the decision were trying to reach, and that 2
is whether or not the environmental impacts of the 3
proposed license renewal, are so great as to preclude 4
the license renewal as a reasonable alternative.
5 Now I want to emphasize that if we were to 6
decide in the end that license renewal is acceptable 7
from an environmental perspective, all that means is 8
that its okay for the licensee to operate for an 9
additional twenty years, from an environmental 10 perspective. We dont determine whether they actually 11 will or will not operate those additional twenty 12 years. Those decisions are made elsewhere, in 13 particular, by the licensee themselves, and perhaps by 14 state regulators.
15 It is possible the licensee could 16 determine, after this review, that it is not 17 economically feasible to continue operating the plant.
18 If so, they would shut down and thats their decision.
19 We are simply determining whether continued operation 20 through the license renewal period is acceptable 21 environmentally.
22 Now this slide gives a little more detail 23 on the environmental review schedule for St. Lucie.
24 Unfortunately, its a little out of focus and it may 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 be difficult to read. If you have our hand-out, 1
though, you should be able to read it. Ill quickly 2
go through it.
3 The licensees application was received on 4
November 29th, 2001. On February 28th, 2002, we 5
issued a notice of our intent to perform scoping, 6
which is what were doing now. We also issued in that 7
same federal register notice, the intent to develop an 8
Environmental Impact Statement on the proposed action.
9 The scoping phase of our environmental 10 review will end on April 30th, 2002. After that we 11 will complete the development of a draft environmental 12 impact statement, which we expect to issue for public 13 comment in October of 2002.
14 We will also come back here in early 15 December for another public meeting to focus on the 16 draft environmental impact statement that weve 17 issued, and to give the public an opportunity to 18 provide us with any comments you might have on the 19 document.
20 After receiving and evaluating those 21 comments, we will then develop a final Environmental 22 Impact Statement, which we expect to issue in July of 23 2003.
24 Now we gather information for our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 evaluation from a number of different sources, 1
including the document sent to us by the licensee. We 2
also meet and correspond with federal, state and local 3
government officials, and interested people from the 4
local community, which might have information that 5
would help us out in our environmental evaluation.
6 We also visit the site, which is another 7
part of what were doing here this week, getting 8
familiar with the local environment, examining 9
features of particular interest, and observing 10 firsthand how the site interacts with the environment.
11 Now our review team focuses on many 12 environmental interests. This slide shows the sort of 13 areas were looking at, everything from the air, to 14 the water, to under the ground.
15 We also look at issues such as 16 socioeconomics, how does the plant affect peoples 17 lives economically. We consider environmental 18 justice, which focuses on the question of whether 19 there are minority or low-income population groups 20 that might be disproportionately impacted by the 21 proposed license renewal.
22 Now just lifting a few key dates from the 23 earlier slide, our schedule is to complete the scoping 24 process by April 30th, 2002. Thats when the public 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 comment ends -- comment period on scoping ends. After 1
that, as I indicate, we will issue our draft 2
Environmental Impact Statement in October, and we 3
expect to issue the final Environmental Impact 4
Statement in July of 2003.
5 Now Im the agencys primary point of 6
contact for the environmental review. Note that the 7
slide includes my phone number. However, if you want 8
to provide me comments, I need to get your input in a 9
form that we can use, either in writing or as Chip 10 indicated, verbal comments given here at tonights 11 meeting, which is being transcribed, and that 12 transcription from this meeting will become a written 13 record of your comments.
14 Now arrangements have been made for the 15 documents associated with the license renewal 16 environmental review to be locally available to you.
17 The Indian River Community College Library has been 18 kind enough to donate some shelf space available for 19 documents related to our environmental review.
20 If you need to go the library, ask at the 21 front desk and theyll direct you to the carrel that 22 contains that information. At the present time, its 23 a couple of feet long of material.
24 The library will continue to receive 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 documents that are generated in the course of our 1
environmental review and those will be made available 2
in a similar manner.
3 Also documents will be available on our 4
document management system, which can be accessed 5
through our web page, and the website is given on this 6
slide, down at the bottom. I know its a little 7
difficult to read. Its www.nrc.gov 8
Basically you enter that site and it will 9
direct you to our records management program called 10 ADAMS, and then from that you will be able to get just 11 about any document that the NRC has published, not 12 only on this particular license renewal application, 13 but any other.
14 Now, if you want to submit comments, 15 written comments to us, other than those that youre 16 providing tonight in your verbal comments, we have a 17 couple of options. You can write us a letter and the 18 address you would use to get that -- to send that 19 letter to us is on the slide.
20 But I want to caution you, however, that 21 since last falls anthrax incident, many letters 22 delivered to the Washington, D.C. area, particularly 23 to federal agencies, has taken up to several months.
24 In fact, I was provided a letter this evening that was 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 dated the 2nd of February, and it was received several 1
days ago. Unfortunately our mail is shipped somewhere 2
in the mid-West where its irradiated before its then 3
sent to us.
4 So if you plan to submit written comments, 5
please send them by e-mail to the address on this 6
slide, right down here (indicating). What weve done 7
is developed a -- or we set up a special e-mail 8
mailbox, just for the St. Lucie review. So if you 9
send it to that e-mail address, and I check it daily, 10 Ill be able to receive it.
11 Now if youre unable to send them by e-12 mail and do plan to send them by regular mail, I would 13 please ask that you let me know, call me and tell me 14 that youve mailed them, so that Ill be looking for 15 them, and Ill probably ask you at that time if you 16 could fax them to me as well, so I have a hard copy to 17 work from.
18 And, of course, certainly you can stop in 19 and deliver your comments to me personally, if youre 20 in the Rockville, Maryland area, however, we havent 21 had too many people use this option in that past.
22 That concludes my presentation and if 23 anybody has any specific questions for me concerning 24 the environmental review process, we can take those 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 now. And I thank you for your time.
1 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thanks, Mike.
2 Are there questions about the concept, or 3
any left-over questions from Noel Dudleys 4
presentation?
5 (No response.)
6 MR. CAMERON: Okay. Well, lets go to --
7 in a minute well go to hearing from you.
8 Yes?
9 MR. DOYLE: Im not sure where to begin 10 on this, but in the review of nuclear power plants, is 11 there an acceptable loss to life in the community?
12 I notice from speaking with several people 13 with ties and badges on tonight, that they realize 14 that theres a cost factor through FP&L, that thats 15 acceptable loss to the community for life.
16 And also, will the fact that the amount of 17 catastrophic damage that can occur in the nuclear 18 industry, which is much greater than the petroleum, or 19 solar, or any other industry taken into effect, and 20 once accepting
- this, the Nuclear Regulatory 21 administration must surely acknowledge that there is 22 a certain number of casualties that are acceptable, 23 and for every million people, Id like to ask you to 24 inform the public of the potential impact or identify 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the significant issues to be discussed in depth on 1
this particular topic.
2 (Audio problems with the microphone 3
connection.)
4 MR. CAMERON: Mike, do you get the 5
characterization on that question?
6 DR. MASNIK: We dont have an acceptable 7
number of deaths associated with any of the actions 8
that we take. Our regulations require actions on the 9
part of licensees to make the risk to the public as 10 low as reasonably can be achievable.
11 And we do not assume that operation of a plant will 12 result in so many deaths.
13 MR. CAMERON: The NRC generally does not, 14 in setting its regulations, does not use a cost 15 benefit equation in coming up with (inaudible) 16 necessary to protect the public.
17 Is that correct?
18 DR. MASNIK: Correct.
19 MR. CAMERON: All right.
20 Anybody else?
21 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (Inaudible) --
22 statistics.
23 MR. CAMERON: Why dont we get one more 24 statement in, okay?
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay.
1 MR. CAMERON: All right, good. I dont 2
mean good, but, all right.
3 Lets go to the second part of the 4
meeting. I dont think theres any other questions 5
out there. And this is where we hear from you. And 6
were going to have two short presentations by the 7
Florida Power and Light folks now to give you their 8
rationale on the license renewal application.
9 First of all we go to Mr. Don Jernigan, 10 who is the senior vice-president at the St. Lucie 11 site, and then were going to hear from Tom 12 Abbatiello, their environmental aide on this.
13 MR. JERNIGAN: Good evening, and thank-14 you, Mr. Cameron.
15 My name is Don Jernigan, and I am the 16 vice-president of the Florida Power and Light, St.
17 Lucie Nuclear Power Plant.
18 Id like to thank the staff of the Nuclear 19 Regulatory Commission and the City of Port St. Lucie 20 for holding this very important meeting today.
21 This is a very important meeting to 22 identify the environmental aspects of the license 23 renewal initiative as it relates to the St. Lucie 24 community, and Florida Power and Light welcomes both 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the insight and input from the community. And Id 1
like to thank everyone that is here for attending this 2
evening and participating in this very important 3
process, and I appreciate this opportunity to be able 4
to speak to you.
5 Assisting me today is Mr. Tom Abbatiello.
6 He is the environmental lead for the license renewal 7
project for Florida Power and Light and he will speak 8
after me. We will be using this time to provide a 9
brief overview of the environmental report associated 10 with renewing the St. Lucie Power Plant licenses.
11 First Id like to take just a little bit 12 of time just to talk a little bit about myself. I did 13 graduate here in the State of Florida from the Florida 14 State University with a Bachelor of Science in 15 Physics, and earned my MBA from the University of 16 Miami. I have currently more than twenty years 17 experience in the nuclear power industry. I hold a 18 senior reactor operators license from another nuclear 19 power plant and have served as an officer in this 20 countrys Navys nuclear power program in the 21 submarine service for over five years.
22 I joined Florida Power and Lights Turkey 23 Point Nuclear Power Plant located south of Miami, 24 Florida in 1991, holding a number of technical 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 positions, before becoming the plant general manager 1
at that facility. And as some of you may know, that 2
Turkey Point is widely recognized as one of the top 3
performing nuclear power plants in the world.
4 And I came to the St. Lucie Power Plant in 5
2001 as a site vice-president, and I am excited to be 6
not only the vice-president of St. Lucie, but to be a 7
member of this community in the St. Lucie, Martin 8
County area.
9 On a personal note, my wife and I do 10 consider this a very wonderful location to live and 11 work. We have two children. Both are at college, 12 except when they need more money and make it a point 13 to come home. We consider this a great place to call 14 home and since this is our home, I care a great deal 15 about this community that we live in. The prosperity 16 and the well being of this community is extremely 17 important to me.
18 And thinking about extending the 19 operations of the St. Lucie Power Plant, I believe the 20 process involves more than just renewing the plants 21 licenses. Its about renewing our future in this 22 community as well. And here are a few reasons why.
23 St. Lucie is one of the top performing 24 plants in this country and supplies a source of clean, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 safe, reliable and low cost power to the people of the 1
Treasure Coast. We are one of the largest employers 2
in the St. Lucie and Martin County areas, with over 3
800 full-time employees, but more importantly, our 4
people do more than just work at the power plant.
5 They are active members of the community in the St.
6 Lucie, Martin County area.
7 The St. Lucie Power Plant provides a 8
source of clean energy. And its through our 9
operations that we avoid production of greenhouse 10 gases, which many scientists believe contribute to 11 global warming. And with these points in mind, let me 12 share a little more information about the power plant 13 itself.
14 The St. Lucie Plant is a two-unit site 15 located on Hutchinson Island, about eight miles 16 southeast of Ft. Pierce. At full power, this power 17 plant produces about 1,700,000 watts if electricity.
18 That is more than enough electricity to meet the 19 annual needs of more than 500,000 homes.
20 Over the years, St. Lucie Power Plant has 21 demonstrated high levels of both safety and 22 reliability. It has consistently received high 23 ratings for both the Institute of Nuclear Power Plant 24 Operations, an independent organization -- our 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 regulators and peers 1
have repeatedly recognized St. Lucie as a top 2
performing plant.
3 As I mentioned earlier, St. Lucie Power 4
Plant also provides an economical source of 5
electricity for our friends and neighbors here on the 6
Treasure Coast.
7 Even if you were to add the future costs 8
of operation and maintenance and the cost of our 9
license renewal process, St. Lucie Power Plant remains 10 a very cost effective supplier of electricity.
11 We are committed to continue the 12 performance that we have demonstrated through our 13 renewal of our operating licenses which, for -- which 14 were issued for Unit 1 in 1976, and Unit 2 in 1983.
15 These forty-year licenses were issued after completion 16 of an extensive evaluation of the technical and 17 environmental aspects associated with the St. Lucie 18 Power Plant.
19 Today, nuclear power plants have an option 20 to renew their operating licenses and continue to 21 provide a valuable service to our community.
22 The preparation of a license renewal 23 application is a major undertaking. Thousands of work 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> are used to generate this information and to 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 verify that St. Lucie would in fact continue to be a 1
safe and reliable power plant in the future.
2 Im very proud of our application, and Im very proud 3
of the team that has put it together.
4 For more than 25 years, our employees have 5
worked very hard to sustain the option for continued 6
operation of both St. Lucie units well beyond their 7
initial forty years of operation, through the 8
dedication of the highest maintenance standards and a 9
commitment to safety. Not only have our employees 10 worked to keep license renewal as an option, but they 11 have also worked to keep this community involved in 12 the process.
13 Employees from many departments at the 14 power plant have formed outreach teams to share 15 information about the plant and license renewal with 16 our neighbors and our friends in the surrounding 17 communities. Our teams have spoken to more than 2,000 18 individuals at 75 meetings and gatherings. The 19 feedback that we have received has shown strong 20 support for the re-licensing of the St. Lucie Power 21 Plant, to ensure its continued safe operation and to 22 maintain it as a member of this community.
23 And Id like to thank all of our neighbors 24 for the warm reception that you have shown in inviting 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 us to share this information with you. It has 1
certainly given us the opportunity to hear what was 2
important to you, and will help us in continuing our 3
relationship with the people of the St. Lucie 4
community.
5 In closing let me say that during my 6
career in this power industry, Ive had the 7
opportunity to look at many different forms of power 8
generation and delivery. I believe that the renewal 9
of the St. Lucie Plant licenses is the preferred 10 option for meeting the growing energy needs in this 11 region.
12 Id like to turn this presentation over 13 now to my environmental lead, Tom Abbatiello, who will 14 give some additional information on the environmental 15 aspects of our application.
16 Tom?
17 MR. ABBATIELLO: Thanks, Don.
18 Good evening everyone, and thanks to all 19 of you who took time to come out here this evening 20 after probably working all day.
21 Its an honor to be here today 22 representing the dedicated employees of FPLs St.
23 Lucie Plant, as we pursue renewal of the plants 24 operating licenses. Our employees want to remain a 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 part of this community and obtaining renewed licenses 1
is a necessary step to ensure we are able to continue 2
as active and beneficial neighbors in this community.
3 As Don said, my name is Tom Abbatiello and I am the 4
environmental lead for the St. Lucie Plant license 5
renewal project.
6 I began work in the Navy nuclear industry 7
in 1968, after receiving a Masters Degree in 8
Engineering From Rensilier Polytechnic Institute. I 9
joined FPL in 1986. My wife and I live in Palm City 10 and we are extremely fortunate to be able to live and 11 work in a beautiful area like this.
12 We also believe it is important to give 13 back to the community where we live. I am pleased to 14 be a part of a group of FPL employees who contribute 15 to local area agencies through the United Way. Our 16 employees also mentor students and volunteer in local 17 schools. We also support the St. Lucie County 18 Education Foundation in its scholarship program.
19 FPL employees are also involved in helping 20 the community through other organizations, such as 21 Scouts, Little Leagues, civic groups and church 22 programs. And the Plants information center, called 23 the Energy Encounter, hosts about 40,000 visitors each 24 year, including 15,000 students who visit on 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 educational field trips.
1 As you can see, the people who work at St.
2 Lucie Plant are an integral part of the local 3
community. As members of that community and your 4
neighbors, safety is our highest priority.
5 The St. Lucie Plant team is made up of 6
highly trained professionals who have a strong 7
commitment to safely operating the plant. Our 8
employees work hard, and are dedicated to high 9
standards of excellence and continuous improvement.
10 Im equally proud of the work we do to 11 preserve and protect the environment. FPL has made a 12 long-standing commitment to the protection of 13 Floridas environment.
14 Our display in the lobby shows the broad 15 range of involvement and lists a few of the 16 environmental awards that we have received. These 17 awards include the William Bankard Award for 18 Excellence in Marine Environmental Protection. And 19 the National Land Management Award.
20 In February of this year, FPL joined the 21 EPAs new Voluntary Climate Leaders Program as a 22 charter partner. This program is aimed at reducing 23 greenhouse gas emissions.
24 Simply stated, our commitment to the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environment at St. Lucie Plant is an integral part of 1
FPLs culture. Locally, our environmental programs 2
are well known.
3 The St. Lucie Plant, which looks out on 4
the Atlantic Ocean, maintains a strong commitment to 5
sea turtle protection. Our sea turtle program 6
involved around-the-clock
- efforts, including 7
scientific research and data gathering, participation 8
in the sea turtle stranding and salvage program, 9
ongoing sea turtle beach nesting surveys and our free 10 guided turtle walks for the public.
11 In fact, some of you may have been on these turtle 12 walks, which we conduct annually during nesting 13 season.
14 One aspect of our sea turtle program is 15 our research, which involves examining the turtles 16 that have entered the plants intake canal. Expert 17 biologists, who are on our staff, measure, weigh and 18 electronically tag turtles. This unique research data 19 is highly valued by other research biologists in the 20 scientific community. The data gathered clearly shows 21 that the sea turtle population is steadily growing.
22 Our sea turtle protection and education programs are 23 making a positive contribution to this trend.
24 Aside from the continued environmental 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 programs, the renewal of the St. Lucie Plant licenses 1
is important to meeting the energy needs of Florida.
2 Floridas population is growing approximately two 3
percent per year and, as we can see from the city here 4
at Port St. Lucie, this area is rapidly expanding.
5 Electricity consumed per customer has also 6
increased. FPL must provide power plants to meet the 7
growing demand for energy. Its also important that 8
power plants be close to where the electricity is 9
needed, to ensure the quality of the power and the 10 stability of the system.
11 Another benefit in renewing the St. Lucie 12 Plant licenses is our ability to continue providing 13 clean energy without using additional land for new 14 power plants. In fact, nuclear power plants prevent 15 substantial amount of carbon emissions and other 16 pollutants from going into the air we breathe. The 17 positive impact on air quality will continue during 18 the period of extended operation.
19 Part of the process to renew our licenses 20 included evaluating alternatives to license renewal.
21 We studied the alternatives for generating this 22 electricity and renewing the operating licenses at St.
23 Lucie Plant continues to make good sense.
24 St. Lucie Plants license renewal has the least 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environmental impact for providing electricity to this 1
region.
2 Keeping St. Lucie Plant a part of this 3
community is also important to the social and economic 4
well being of our neighbors. The estimated economic 5
impact of plant operation is more than 80 million 6
dollars annually. The involvement of the St. Lucie 7
Plant employees in this community, as I discussed 8
earlier, helps make our area a better place to live.
9 The St. Lucie Plant employees want to 10 remain a part of this community and, as your 11 neighbors, share an interest in the well being of the 12 community and the protection of the environment. We 13 are committed to safely and reliably operating the St.
14 Lucie Plant in an environmentally responsible manner 15 long into the future, to meet the energy need of 16 Florida.
17 Thank-you.
18 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thank-you very much, 19 Tom and 20 thank-you, Don.
21 Im going to go first to Dr. Alice 22 OKeefe, who is with the American Association of 23 University Women.
24 DR. OKEEFE: First of all, I want to say 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 that, you know, looking about among the sea of suits, 1
important people, and Im just Jane Q Public, really.
2 Im a school teacher, been a school teacher, a college 3
professor, and I have lived here in Florida, down on 4
Hutchinson Island, three miles away from the plant, on 5
the ocean, since 1987. Ive been here fifteen years 6
or more.
7 And Im out in the community and I talk to 8
a lot of people. And most of the people realize that 9
nuclear energy is clean. And you know, I hate you, 10 Don, and I hate you, Tom, because you said everything 11 I was going to say about the turtle walk, about the 12 environmentally sound, and the programs that you have.
13 They do build houses for habitat for low income 14 families.
15 And I want to say a special hello to 16 Rachel Scott, who got me involved and came very 17 sweetly to one of our AAUW, University Women meeting, 18 to explain some of the things that are going on with 19 energy.
20 You know, I was going to say my God, who 21 doesnt have a computer, who doesnt have air 22 conditioning, what would Florida be without air 23 conditioning, and all of things and the reasons for 24 electricity I want for myself, and I want for my 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 family, and want for the community. But unless its 1
provided in a safe way and that the environments 2
protected, I kind of, you know, would still want it, 3
but Id have to have some reservations.
4 But I have always felt that the clean air 5
has been tested by the national people, by the state 6
people. I have found them to be a very good neighbor, 7
three miles away. They are involved in the community.
8 They do -- they have contributed to our 9
Martin County Schools, too, computers and school 10 supplies. I dont if anybody knows that, but they do.
11 And I really feel that if you can get the 12
-- you can provide the energy for the people -- and 13 you know, Floridas energy needs are growing at two 14 percent annually, and I think as Tom or Don said, that 15 over a half a million homes could be supplied with 16 electricity, but its got to be done safely. And I 17 feel that they have a good safety record for 25 years, 18 and I think theyre going to go on for another 20 19 years, so I tell you I do support that they get their 20 license renewal.
21 Thank-you.
22 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thank-you very much, 23 Dr. OKeefe.
24 DR. OKEEFE: Now Im going to the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 airport.
1 MR. CAMERON: All right.
2 Were going to go next to Mr. Paul Hiott.
3 And Mr. Hiotts with the St. Lucie County Council of 4
Social Agencies, but also a member -- or with the 5
United States Navy Retired Submariners.
6 MR. HIOTT: Yes, thank-you, Chip.
7 I just wanted to make known to -- we had 8
a presentation made to us by the power plant at the 9
Council of Social Agencies, very well received by 10 them, to be able to support the renewal through the 11 process that theyre going through now. And I wanted 12 to just get -- briefly go into the background of 13 myself, being in the Navy for twenty-and-a-half years, 14 on several nuclear submarines, and sleeping 15 approximately 80 feet away from a reactor. I spent 16 eight years under water while a reactor was running, 17 and approximately, like I said before, 80 feet away 18 was where my bunk was.
19 I feel so safe around them. I felt safe 20 because they produced the power for the submarines.
21 And theyre also regulated so much by the -- in the 22 Navy, it was naval reactors that was -- it seemed like 23 they were there constantly, doing inspections and 24 everything else, to make sure that they were safe and 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 properly run.
1 And these plants that we have here in St.
2 Lucie and various other ones around this nation are 3
monitored on a, almost daily basis, by somebody 4
walking around and doing something.
5 So safety is their concern. Its for our 6
well being. And I feel like its a very positive note 7
that we have this energy available to us and its 8
produced at a clean level, and also that the process 9
here continues on, and to renew the plants license 10 when it comes due.
11 Thanks, Chip.
12 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you very much, Paul.
13 Lets go next to Jane Rowley from Coral 14 Communities.
15 MS. ROWLEY: Good evening everyone.
16 I have to take my glasses off. I reached 17 that point in life where I cant see up close, I cant 18 see far away. Its like no-mans land.
19 Good evening, my name is Jane Rowley and, 20 as a resident of Port St. Lucie for 23 years -- there 21 were 9,000 people here when we first moved here. Im 22 a former elected official with the City of Port St.
23 Lucie, past president of the Chamber of Commerce, and 24 a trustee for Indian River Community College.
25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 We need electricity, as the good doctor 1
said before she left. As we have seen in other parts 2
of great country, there have been power shortages.
3 This means we need power from St. Lucie Nuclear Plant.
4 Planning for the future means renewing the 5
St. Lucie license. There is no need to reinvent the 6
wheel, we have it. We have a very important community 7
partner in St. Lucie Power Plant. Lets do the right 8
thing and use an existing source to meet our needs.
9 I support the renewal of the St. Lucie 10 license for clean, affordable electricity. Theyre 11 good neighbors. Good neighbors always contribute the 12 economy. St. Lucie Plant means clean energy. Let us 13 keep the plant that provides safe, clean, reliable 14 electricity.
15 In closing, I have not talked to anyone in 16 this community and, believe me, Im on a lot of 17 committees. My job is being out in the community, and 18 talking with people, and meeting with people. I have 19 not met one person who feels that the plant is not 20 environmentally concerned or friendly. So I think 21 they should get their license renewal.
22 Thank-you very much.
23 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you, Jane.
24 Lets hear next from Mr. Vince Barry of 25
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1 MR. BARRY: Good evening.
2 My name is Vincent Barry. My wife and I 3
live at 181 Northeast Fatima Terrace, here in Port St.
4 Lucie. We would like to voice our support for the St.
5 Lucie Plant license renewal.
6 My wife and I have lived in Port St. Lucie 7
for the past 14 years and during that time, we have 8
come to depend on Florida Power and Light, and the St.
9 Lucie Nuclear Power Plant to provide a safe, clean and 10 economical electricity, in a dependable manner.
11 The St. Lucie Power Plant has never failed 12 us in that regard. In an uncertain world, it is very 13 comforting to know that when you need electricity or 14 the services that are associated with it, they are 15 there.
16 It is also comforting to know that the 17 electricity that is being generated, is being 18 generated using the cleanest, the safest fuel on 19 earth, nuclear power. It is my understanding that 20 nuclear power poses no air pollution problems and 21 minimal ecological impact during its use. I certainly 22 would like to see the vital connections that link the 23 St. Lucie Plant to our economy, to a cleaner 24 environment and, most importantly, to the entire 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 community, continue for the next twenty years.
1 In addition to being an excellent supplier 2
of low cost electrical power, the St. Lucie Power 3
Plant is a good neighbor, that participates or 4
sponsors a number of educational, environmental and 5
civic activities.
6 The Energy Encounter, with its hands on 7
electrical exhibits, is a must see attraction each and 8
every time our children and our grandchildren pay us 9
a visit.
10 For sometime now, my wife and I have 11 attended the Wonderful Wednesdays programs, which the 12 St. Lucie Plant puts on. These highly educational and 13 entertaining programs have given us many hours of 14 enjoyment, as well as enlightenment.
15 It was here that we became aware of the 16 ongoing training and testing that all operators and 17 plant personnel are subjected to, of the written 18 procedures that are in place for every operation, of 19 the continuous preventative maintenance programs that 20 are stringently applied, and of the quality control 21 surveillance activities that confirm that all these 22 safeguards are in place, working as planned, and 23 documented. All of these efforts are directed to the 24 assurance of an absolutely fail-safe operation.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 We were also made aware of the vital role 1
that you folks of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 2
play, to make sure that safety is at the forefront of 3
all plant operations. And for this, we thank you.
4 The St. Lucie Power Plant is not only a 5
place that produces clean, safe, low cost electricity, 6
it also is an environmentally friendly facility, that 7
provides a home to dozens of rare, threatened or 8
endangered birds and animals.
9 The Turtle Beach nature trail mentioned 10 here earlier, is open to the public to enjoy Floridas 11 natural beauty. The plants beaches provide one of 12 the best nesting sites for threatened or endangered 13 sea turtles, and the overall facility itself is a 14 place of quiet beauty.
15 Finally, my wife and I fully support 16 renewing the license of the St. Lucie Nuclear Power 17 Plant and we would like to see that it continues 18 building on its record of excellence and its culture, 19 that puts community health and safety above all else.
20 We would like to see it continue for twenty years or 21 more and far beyond.
22 I am reminded of the football coach on a 23 TV commercial when he says, "When you find something 24 that works, you keep using it."
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 The St. Lucie Nuclear Power Plant is 1
something that works. Lets keep using it.
2 Thank-you for letting me express my views 3
and to lend my support for the renewing of the St.
4 Lucie Nuclear Plants license. Thank-you.
5 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you very much, Mr.
6 Barry.
7 And next were going to go to Mr. Jim 8
Vojcsik. And Mr. Vojcsik is the Director of the St.
9 Lucie County Veterans Services.
10 MR. VOJCSIK: Director of the United Way 11 of Martin County.
12 MR. CAMERON: Lets change that to 13 Director of the United Way of Martin County. Sorry.
14 I was really proud, I got your name correct.
15 MR. VOJCSIK: You did get my name 16 correctly. Thank-you, I appreciate that.
17 My name is Jim Vojcsik, and my wife Donna 18 and I have lived in the area for three years, since 19 1999. And along with our two children, we care very, 20 very deeply about the safety of the community. And I 21 do want to commend you all for having this process of 22 reviewing this plant and the license renewal.
23 I am the Executive Director of the United 24 Way of Martin County and Im speaking tonight on 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 behalf of our organization in support of the license 1
renewal for Florida Power and Light St. Lucie Nuclear 2
Plant.
3 The power plant is an important source of 4
energy for our community. Demands for energy in 5
communities in the Treasure Coast of Florida are 6
growing annually, and we need the power from the St.
7 Lucie Plant to meet our needs for electricity. The 8
plant supplies us with an available source of low cost 9
electricity and the plants already here, and we can 10 use it as a resource to meet our communitys energy 11 needs.
12 The St. Lucie Plant is a good neighbor.
13 Speaking on behalf of the United Way of Martin County, 14 I personally know many of the employees at the St.
15 Lucie Plant and I know how theyre involved in the 16 community. And I know personally that they are 17 involved with many organizations that are making a 18 difference in our quality of life in the community.
19 The employees at the plant give very 20 generously to local United Way campaigns here on the 21 Treasure Coast. They contribute hundreds of thousands 22 of dollars each year to local charitable organizations 23 through their participation.
24 The plant annually conducts one of the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 most successful and spirited employee fund-raising 1
efforts on the Treasure Coast. And recently the 2
United Way of Martin County recognized an employee at 3
the power plant as one of our most outstanding 4
volunteers of the year.
5 The plant is also one of the largest 6
employers in our area, and its very important to our 7
local economy. A business of this size would be very 8
difficult to replace. The plants payroll, purchases 9
and property taxes supply our local governments with 10 revenue which we need to provide services on which we 11 depend.
12 In conclusion, because the power plant is 13 important to our community, its a good neighbor, it 14 has a good environmental track record and produces a 15 viable source of low cost electricity, cleanly and 16 safely, we should keep this plant in operation for 17 twenty more years, and we support the license renewals 18 for the St. Lucie Power Plant. [Attachment 3c]
19 Thank-you.
20 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you, Mr. Vojcsik.
21 Next, lets go to Patricia Baldwin of the 22 Soroptimists International of St. Lucie County.
23 MS. BALDWIN: Thank-you, and Im surprised 24 you could say it. Was that your first attempt at 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 saying soroptimist?
1 MR. CAMERON: I am surprised I could say 2
it.
3 MS. BALDWIN: Thats very good, very good.
4 My name is Pat Baldwin. Im actually an 5
attorney here in Port St. Lucie. Ive been here for 6
four years, enjoy the environment, and have never 7
heard any concerns about the power plant.
8 Im here on behalf of Soroptimists 9
International. And the women in Soroptimists are 10 women, theyre professional women, and they work in 11 the community. They live in the community. Their 12 children go to school in the community. And they 13 asked me to come here and speak on behalf of them.
14 Something Mr. Dudley said that kind of 15 concerned me, if the application is not renewed. If 16 the application is not renewed, he said it would take 17 ten years to create an alternate source of energy.
18 And think about that. Wed have to take ten years to 19 find alternate sources of energy. What is the cost 20 going to be? Where is it going to come from? Is it 21 going to be available? And now we have a plant we 22 have to shut down. Whats the cost of shutting the 23 plant down? Whats the cost going to be for jobs in 24 the community if we have to shut the plant down? And 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 what are the other environmental costs that its going 1
to take to get sources that probably arent going to 2
be in our own community? Our community will suffer.
3 I havent heard anything from anybody 4
thats caused me any concern on the renewal. The 5
environment seems to be considered. FP&L seems to be 6
doing a great job in trying to protect the 7
environment, doing programs for the community that 8
help support the socioeconomic and also the ecological 9
environment.
10 In light of
- the, you
- know, the 11 alternatives to the renewal, I think we need to 12 support the renewal. Again, I havent heard any 13 opposition to the renewal from colleagues or from 14 members of Soroptimists, and I think if we start 15 looking at the detriments if we dont renew, we have 16 a real problem on our hands.
17 I think its in the best interest of the 18 community to renew the application.
19 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you very much.
20 Douglas Davis, the St. Lucie County 21 Chamber of Commerce.
22 MR. DAVIS: Thank-you.
23 Firstly, I am Doug Davis. I reside at 24 2201 Atlantic Beach Boulevard in Ft. Pierce, which is 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 on North Beach, and Im a 45 year resident, having 1
moved down here in 57, so Ive been here longer than 2
the plant.
3 What I wanted to say is when the plant did 4
first come up and was planned to be built, I had 5
certain reservations because it was an unknown to me.
6 I had certain concerns about health and safety, 7
environmental issues.
8 And I do live within the ten mile radius, 9
where I live. And I do surf, and I surf right off the 10 beaches where the plant is, so Ive had a 25 year 11 experience that has proven to me that this particular 12 energy source is something that I have nothing to be 13 concerned about.
14 I think that anybody that can be here and 15 to do the job that they do, and do it in a manner --
16 that Ive lived through 17 the process and Ive seen it work. I highly recommend 18 it and I fully recommend that the operational license 19 be renewed, on a personal basis.
20 Also, the power plant here is something 21 that has dramatically affected my life, as it has with 22 many lives in our community, in the way that I have a 23 beautiful family due to the power plant. My father-24 in-law is an electrical engineer that moved here from 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Pennsylvania 27 years ago, and I got to marry his 1
daughter, and I have three beautiful children.
2 So thats something that just proves that 3
theres a community fabric thats interwoven, thats 4
taken place with FP&L, theyre just a part of the 5
community, and a very valuable part of the community 6
and something thats more than just a business here.
7 Its something thats a -- its a life.
8 And my brother-in-law and his whole family 9
are part of the electrical union out there. Many of 10 my good friends are all employed out there, so theres 11 a real tie with the community there, just in the way 12 that theyve established themselves, and theyre part 13 of -- they are us.
14 On a professional level, I own my own 15 business. Im the president of Richard Davis 16 Construction Corporation and I also have served for 17 the first six years of the St. Lucie County Chamber of 18 Commerce as president. I have another six -- excuse 19 me, six months, not six years -- six months and I have 20 six months to go. But Im here also to represent the 21 professional community to say that we recognize that 22 FP&L is our, one of our major employers in this 23 community. They have excellent job opportunities in 24 the high tech, in the pay, and all the perks that they 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 provide, so its a great source for those that have 1
grown up here, to be able to come and find employment, 2
and provide for themselves and their families. Their 3
investments in property and facilities provide 4
extremely strong part of our tax base that drives our 5
community.
6 Of course, many people spoke about how 7
community-active they are. And I dont know as much 8
about that, but I do know Rachel Scott and I do know 9
her leadership for United Way here in St. Lucie County 10 has been phenomenal this past year.
11 And I heard the name of the electrical 12 union mentioned many times at their banquet and how 13 they step up to the plate, and they personally invest 14 in our community in charitable giving, so we applaud 15 them in that.
16 And we brought this to our own Chamber of 17 Commerce Board of Directors, and had the full 18 presentation, and had a unanimous support for the 19 license renewal. And I wanted to bring to that to the 20 attention, for consideration, that there was not one 21 single vote opposed to that. Thats from the St.
22 Lucie County Chamber of Commerce. Professionally and 23 personally, I support the license renewal.
24 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you, Mr. Davis.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Lets go to Nick Theodore for some 1
comments. And Nick is with Carpenters Local Union 2
130.
3 MR. THEODORE: My name is Nick Theodore.
4 Im a resident of Port St. Lucie. Ive lived here 5
since 1987.
6 Prior of being a business representative 7
for the Carpenters Union, I was a journeyman 8
carpenter out of Western Pennsylvania. Ive worked in 9
probably every type of power generating facility that 10 you could imagine, whether it be gas, coal, trash-11 burners, Ive worked them all.
12 And when I first came down here and I got 13 dispatched to go to work at St. Lucie, I thought I was 14 working in a hospital. The place is extremely clean.
15 You left there almost as clean as you went there, and 16 we do some heavy construction work.
17 Theres people that, in my trade, have 18 died working at plants, building them, maintaining 19 them, but FPL has always stressed, from day one that 20 I was there, worker safety is paramount, public safety 21 is paramount.
22 On behalf of the carpenters and the 23 building trades, because FP&L does utilize the 24 building trades over there -- as a matter of fact, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 since 1997, I think weve set three worlds records 1
for maintenance at that facility, and, Don, I think 2
Ive seen about five, four or five site vice-3 presidents prior to you coming on board -- and its 4
all been stressed the same way.
5 But on behalf of the building trades and 6
Carpenters Local 130, security is always taken care 7
of over there. The workers are taken care of. The 8
environment and the public is always taken care of, 9
and we endorse the extension of the 10 re-licensing.
11 MR. CAMERON: Thank-you, Nick.
12 I think that covers all of the people who 13 signed up in advance.
14 I would want to give the opportunity to 15 anybody who does want to give us some brief comments 16 at this time, to step forward.
17 Anybody, anybody out there?
18 Mr. Doyle. Come on up.
19 MR. DOYLE: Thank-you, Chip, and again, 20 thank-you, everyone, for presenting this information.
21 This is a, basically information exchange for myself 22 tonight. Im learning a lot, and I really appreciate 23 the input from the people of St. Lucie.
24 And Id just like for them to consider 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 that theres a bigger world out there also, its a big 1
state. And even if a lot of megawatts are generated 2
that can benefit several hundred thousand homes, 3
theres a lot more people out there and a lot more 4
land, and, and animals that dont need to benefit from 5
that, and that could be affected if anything does go 6
wrong.
7 And thats my one concern. Thats why Im 8
here tonight.
9 And thats the only reason, because I love my fellow 10 humans. I had a great time out at the Olympics, and 11 I really felt international vibes out there. And, 12 but, so coming home, I just want to make sure 13 everybody is safe and that we think about what were 14 doing in our communities. And I just dont want you 15 to make any mistakes that we cant correct.
16 You know, because President Eisenhower 17 said that we can afford to sacrifice a few thousand 18 people out there in the defense of national security.
19 I do believe that all industries, coal-fired plants, 20 oil burning plants, they all have their allowable 21 deaths per million ratio, but nuclear power, by the 22 very nature of it, its acceptance and promulgation 23 among the very few governing and regulatory bodies, we 24 dont have a lot of people giving input on this, just 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the NRC and FP&L. We dont -- its not mandatory that 1
our local communities and counties even comment on it.
2 Were just counting on one vote, thats from Governor 3
Jeb Bush, through the Congress. So, we -- as locals, 4
we have to keep an eye out for this.
5 But the nuclear industry presents a 6
catastrophic scenario never before imaginable, and, 7
besides the usual number of injuries and deaths in the 8
energy field. We must convince our leaders, but more 9
importantly, the people who work for NRC and FP&L, 10 that they are the ones who do all the work. Without 11 them things would be different.
12 That this unquantifiable resource called 13 life must be guaranteed as it is by our Constitution, 14 and that for the mere sake of modernization, we should 15 not surrender ourselves for them on what they ask me 16 to do, am I the one who should die? Who else in their 17 statistics could they be referring to? I know Im 18 included in the population count. My death and the 19 possible death of countless peoples is acceptable to 20 NRC regulations and FP&L procedures. Its threatening 21 and its not worth it.
22 There were black-outs in the Western U.S.,
23 remember those? Well, nuclear power plants need 24 electricity from outer sources. Could be a problem.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Its only backed up in the house.
1 Charge people more percentage-wise, who 2
use more electricity. Lets raise the rates. Hey, 3
Im all for it. I dont need nuclear power. Ill pay 4
a little more.
5 Nowhere here tonight did I hear that we 6
must conserve. I think this is one of our greatest 7
focuses that we must do. The electricity consumed per 8
customer has to decrease. I hear thats been on the 9
increase.
10 Parents, can you give up TV time and go 11 for a hike with your kid instead? Cant we all use 12 less electricity? Lets sacrifice the trivial things 13 in life so that we dont have to sacrifice the most 14 sacred.
15 By allowing NRC and FP&L to operate, we 16 accept and condone the possibility of a nuclear 17 catastrophe and I hate to use those words and I 18 apologize for it.
19 Im not a gambler and I dont know whether 20 you can remember the last time someone seriously asked 21 you to bet your life on something.
22 Thank-you.
23 MR. CAMERON: Okay, thank-you, Mr. Doyle.
24 And I guess I would just remind everybody 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 here that these are personal opinions that are being 1
expressed by people on these issues.
2 And I dont think that we have anybody 3
else who wants to speak tonight, so I would just thank 4
you for all coming out and thank you for participating 5
tonight.
6 Its an important decision that the NRC is 7
faced with and the information you gave us tonight 8
will help us to make that decision.
9 So were adjourned at this point.
10 (Whereupon, at 8:30 oclock, p.m., the 11 public meeting was adjourned.)
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